Ks. 6&Under State Championship

Just a reminder to all club directors and parents, the deadline for entries for the 6&Under State is this Sunday March 14 at midnight. Please check your information thoroughly before sending it in as we will NOT make any changes after the deadline. Entries can be e-mailed to me at rrcarver@sbcglobal.net We look forward to another great tournament...see you all soon and good luck to all clubs as they start their road to State!

Renee' Burdick

bumping it up!!!

how many entries so far

Attention clubs:

I need one entry from each club please, I have several clubs letting their parents sign their kids up and then I am getting a team roster as well, this is causing confusion and way too much paperwork to print off. Weight classes and ratings are not matching up either, I realize every parent wants their kid rated as a 10 therefore I am requiring entries be made through a club representative or coach so that numbers are accurate and no problems arise the morning of the tournament. Thank you!

Renee' Burdick

Final day for entries!!! Please make sure your club has their entries in by midnight. We are approaching 300 entries...should make for a great day of wrestling! Thanks to all who have entered!

Renee'

Can the wrestlers who are wrestling at Districts use their weigh in then as official?

Will brackets be posted prior the tournament starting?

Brackets have never been posted before. In the past you get to see them Saturday night.

you CAN NOT use your weigh-ins from District

Will you be posting entries?

We will not post entries prior to the tournament, a bit difficult to scan a 64-man bracket...which we will have several of this year. We have about 350 entries.

37# 19
40# 23
43# 34
46# 47
49# 45
52# 48
55# 38
58# 27
61# 12
64# 6
67# 9
70# 7
73# 7
76# 4
80# 6
88# 5
95# 5

See you all on Sunday!

Renee'

We've never been to a tourny with 40+ kids in my sons bracket. Will these be double elimination? Or are you done if you lose one?

they are all double elimination! they will use the 64 man bracket for 40+ kids

Thats a good day of wrestling, young or old . The awards r they the same? And r u useing both gyms? Doesn't really matter Nathan is excited to go bring hardware home like his brothers,maybe?

awards are the same...using both gyms...we predict the youngsters walking in for their parade about 3:30 or 4!!

Renee;

We've got kids in a 3 man and 6 man bracket. I assume the 6 man would be an 8 man bracket, can you tell me if the 3 man is a round robin?

Thanks

Will there be a Saturday night weigh in?

WEIGH-INS: SAT. MARCH 20 6-8P.M.
SUN. MARCH 21 6-8A.M.

the 3-man now has 4 kids in it so it is a complete 4-man round robin, if there are 5, 6, 7 or 8 in a bracket it will be an 8-man bracket

Are they allowing a pound for those that wrestle on Saturday?

They never have before.

absolutely no weight allowance...all kids have to make weight

Since there does not seem to be any flexibility for 6 year olds who are wrestling on Saturday in Districts. If they come in overweight will you allow them to wrestle up? Remember this is 6U state and we are only trying to make this an event that we will encourage our clubs to participate in.

Then encourage your kids to wrestle a weight they can make.

check the rules for usa wrestilng and see what it states in concerning back to back sanctioned wrestling events. it should be considered the same as consective days wrestling when weigh-ins are required. you may have to refer to the high school rules if kids wrestling rules doesnt address the issue. i do beleive that in a sanctioned event that is being held on consective days or 2 seperate sanctioned events that are being held and attended by a wrestler then a one pd allowance is given. those that are asking about the weigh-ins need to check with the rules and see if and what applies in this case. i do believe districts as well a 6&u state are requiring usa cards.
good luck to all those that are going. it is a great tourny in ottawa and they do a great job.

I'm sorry, but if you have a 6u kid that is cutting weight, and are worried about "holding" that weight during districts, so he can wrestle the same weight at 6u state, something is wrong. Everyone makes weight, or they don't wrestle. If they would be giving a weight allowance, there would have been lots of kids wrestling down a weight class. A one pound allowance would have put at least one of our kids in a lower weight class, probably two, so changing the rules this late in the game would be a mistake.

I am not in a dream world, and I realize that weight cutting/management happens in wrestling, but at 6u? Come on........

I guess I should have expected the usual weight cutting scenario. I did not once say I was having a 6U cut weight nor do I condone it. He weighs on the average 1-2 oz under his normal weight all year it is just not unusual for him to gain an additional 4-5 oz during the day at wrestling tournaments from eating and drinking. Please do not lecture me on this. It is not my first time at this. I did not ask for any pound either. There was not any reading between the lines anywhere. I have always respected rules etc.. and I just was asking simple questions to clarify.

I don't think there should be any weight allowances. And i'm pretty sure it is at the tournament directors discretion. The Kansas modifications actually say no weight allowances and wrestlers shall not be permitted to wrestle at a higher age group. So which rule do you go by. kids wrestle Saturday-Sunday tournaments all the time and don't get weight allowances unless the tournament director decides to. I think if 1 kid gets a pound, all kids get a pound.

I do believe when we weigh in at State in Topeka we do not have to weigh in both days. It is also a consecutive day wrestling tournament very similar to what is being done this weekend for those doing consecutive days also.

the diff between a two day tourn. and two diff. tourn. is the two day tourn. is not always required to weigh in twice, as of two different tournaments is. I think if you are required to make weight two days in a row you do get a pound.

correct......

You said "Since there does not seem to be any flexibility for 6 year olds who are wrestling on Saturday in Districts. If they come in overweight will you allow them to wrestle up? Remember this is 6U state and we are only trying to make this an event that we will encourage our clubs to participate in."

I take your statement as implying that Ottawa is being Harda$$ on weighins by not having any "flexibility" on weight. Then I take it that you are asking for your kid to bump up a weight if he doesn't make weight. As someone said earlier, enter your kid in a weight class that you don't have to worry about it in.........

Then I believe they should have stated that on the flyer, so that EVERYONE would know that when entering their kids. You give a pound, and all of a sudden you have a kid that weighs 40.5 lbs, wrestling 43, that has to wrestle a kid that weighs 44, nearly 10%.

I also think you guys h ave HS rules confused with kids' rules, but I am not sure. HS get a pound the second day, but I have never been told anything about kids' federation getting a pound, and we've done plenty of the two tourneys in a weekend thing...........

I also worry when someone starts measuring weight in "ounces", particularly as it relates to the 6U class. A few years ago we had some members of this board comparing the weight of singlets in "ounces" from one brand to another. I see many problems ahead for you and your youth wrestler if you are worrying about "ounces". The reason that there are so many weight groups, so close together at the younger ages, is so nobody worries about "ounces"!

I would agree if it is the same tournament, you choose to wrestle in 2 entirely different tournaments, you go with the tournament directors decision. Nobody is making you wrestle in 2 tournaments. If they are going to start giving a pound, you might as well go to Missouri weights, every 5 pounds. Why should the kids that wrestle the day before get a slight weight advantage.

I love the passion in our sport. Now I am being criticized because I related to my sons weight in oz. I also have never stated that my son was cutting weight. I just know from experience that kids eat and drink an excessive amount during tournaments and that they want to wrestle again the next day at their previous weight from the day before. I am trying to fill in all of the lines here so there isnt any misconceptions. Please do not lecture me on singlets and weight classes. We.... all know the differences especially those who have done this sport for 15 plus years. I am not an overzealous parent or someone who is wrestling again thru my kids. Just doing what is appropriate for all wrestlers at any age.

It is a great question and being sanctioned by usa wrestling takes the tourney directors choice out of the equation. The rule is that if one kid in the tourney wrestles the day before then everyone in the tourney get a pound. Ottawa does a great job with this event and I thank them cause it as always alot of fun but the rules on this are the rules. By the way, none of my 6 and unders are cutting weight i'm just helping to clearify the rules. Good luck to all the little guys who will be there sunday and again thanks to ottawa for putting this event together!

People keep trying to bring certain aspects of high school weigh in procedures into kids wrestling and ignoring the ones that they do not like.

For example, high school kids have to make weight AFTER their bracket is complete on the first day. I don't think a lot of kids and parents would like that modification.

High school wrestlers are subject to hydration testing, alpha weights and weight certification. They cannot wrestle down at the end of the year as they must make at least 50% of their weigh ins at their qualifying weight, and only one wrestler per team can wrestle at a given weight.

Are you going to let a kids club team schedule a dual on Friday before a tournament to get a one pound allowance? High school teams do.

If you truly believe our tournament directors are subject to high school weight classes (which they are not) then you must also believe we are subject to all of the other rules.

This is not a USAW Kansas Kids rule!

The rules for Sanctioned Tournaments may be found here: Kansas Kids Rules Modifications

Thanks for that link. I don't have a copy of the rule book handy and was wondering if you had a link to any of the rules about wrestling and weighing in back to back days? I was told(and it was quite a while back) that there was a specific rule for that. Just curious if it was covered anywhere in the up to date rule book.

Thanks Richard, I didn't have time to prove myself right, but you did it for me. I would have thought that I would have been of that rule, if it were one, in my many travels around to wrestling tourneys these last years.......Everyone makes scratch weight at Ottawa. Period.

Just curious if there is a possibility of cancelation of the tournament due to the weather and if so when will we know?

Lets hope not, sitting at hotel in Ottawa right now waiting for weigh-ins

hows the weather and roads doing down that way?

Wind is blowing snow but roads are pretty clear. I have not heard anything from our director about cancelling our tournament.

is there going to be a weight allowance due to the inclement weather?

Weather is ok in Ottawa just slushy and its still snowing but little flakes. We drove threw a lot of crappy weather but still made it. Their is no way son would let me not make it. Good Luck to all and safe trip!

Renee you have a PM.

Shawn Bloomfield

I jusy wanted to say thanks to Ottawa for putting on a great tournament. It was a classy thing to do for that family. Makes you put things in perspective, I know they already have a memorial tournament for the boy, but what about naming the state tournament for him? Just a thought. Congrats to all the kids, it was a hard fought day in all matches.

It was top notch what the club did for that family...I couldn't fathom standing out there over my son's shoes as they were being retired...my heart goes out to them.

On another note...does anyone have an update on the Yeager boy that dislocated his elbow on mat 4...I was the first one to him and saw firsthand how it looked...I felt so sorry for him as he was in a lot of pain...our family prays for his speedy recovery!!

What the Club did for that family was awesome. Does anybody know if they will post results to this. Just curious how the 46lb class ended up.

just curious if any results would be posted as well

Thank you to everyone for attending the Ks. 6&under State Championship. I thoroughly enjoyed the day and having the Siruta family there as our guests was very special. It was our every intention to give them the love and support they needed especially with today being the 1 year anniversary of Tate's passing. Thank you to everyone who signed the shirt and donated money to the family as well. They were very touched by every event and appreciate all that was done for them.

I am trying to re-cooperate today for a bit and I will sit down and type out the results and get them posted on here as well as having the Juby's post them under the results topic.

Take care everyone and good luck at State this weekend!!

Renee'

Thanks for asking about haden, he is home and doing fine. He dislocated his elbow and tore some tendons. He is pretty sore and will be out of sports for a while. Thanks to all who helped getting him taken care of! I stopped by to see him after the tourney and he was sluggish and I think he is gonna keep mom busy at home for a couple of days.

Glad he is OK. I was thinking of this little boy all evening! You never want a see a kid get an injury like that. Hope to see him back at it next season!!!!

Thanks to Ottawa for helping coach IWC wrestler's on Sunday. What a great program, coaching staff and Tournament you hav


Shawn Bloomfield

Thanks for an awesome tournament. Ethan had a blast and the finals parade pumped him up.. Heck of a way to finish his 6U years,,