His name is COKELEY. And, his opinion is different from yours. Is that such a hard thing to accept?

And, he is a BIG PROMOTER of quality KS wrestling. What have you done for quality KS wrestling lately?

Dean, Don't let those with big computers and that are small on social etiquette get to you! Whether nastyway is an adolescent or not ... there is a definite display of those tendencies!

Randy, thanks for the concern but trust me - they don't get to me. I have thick skin. Probably too thick! ;-) Usually, I'm just laughing or grinning while typing these silly things. I don't take myself (or comments that others make) too seriously. I live in a glass house and know I should not throw stones. But alas, I'm sinful and do all too often.

I just like sticking up for my 'friends' and I definitely need to wise up and not take so much 'bait' and waste so much time on this forum. But, we all got our addictions. This one is not as bad as others I guess (smoking, drinking, over-eating, etc...)

Thanks again and catch ya later.

Dean

nastyway, I think you need to learn more about wrestling before you make a post like you did. I really doubt your top 4 103 ponders would beat 4a's it would be a good match between Pursel and Stalford. Nitcher is at 125 while Cokeley is at 130, and have they ever met before? I don't think Blair would beat Jesseph easy, if at all. I'd like to see the match. 145 pd would be nice to see also. Watson at 152 is really good but I think Sommer could give him a run for his money. Detmer is good but I don't think he could pin everyone in 4a. Lets just stick with Hambleton and see if he could win that. Annberger is undefeated at 171 which tells me he's pretty good. Bortz lost once this year at 189 I don't think he would lose to the top three in 5a, let alone to your 5a champ. So I guess what I'm saying, is where did you come up with your information? Every kid that went to state did a good job, and every kid that placed at state did a great job...

2coach i think i know enough about wrestling sorry i got offended abouth the 5a and 6a remarks from cokeley but if you look at the facts the big schools have produced many more all americans in college and college wrestlers and better head to head match ups if you through 6a and 5a against 4 and 123a it would be the small schools 2 wins maybe and ugly after that...

Who was the 3rd place guy?

4A State Champion Darnell Bortz beat Davis (5A #2) at the Liberal dual the Thursday before Regionals. Kinda ruins that argument now doesn't it?

from year to year this argument varies. this year i do think maybe 5a and maybe even 6a with all the goddard studs might beat 4a. overall 4a is a much tougher class with so many more schools and you actually prove you belong at state when you get there. not saying everyone in 5a and 6a dont but some of those kids with losing records do not make it there in 4a ever. state in my opinion is supposed to be the best of the best to see who is the best. thats what a champion is.

AMEN.

people let's quit talking about it. start raising money, find a cantrally located venue. bring in the top four from each class, and let's battle it out. you could charge $20 a ticket and pack the house, and all this talk would stop.

scott bockover: there are some pretty big guys on the wall at your old school that might take offense, when you keep questioning their 5a heavyweight championships. tell sonny manley that he is not a true champion because his bracket wasn't filled with the "best of the best".

quanity doesn't always mean quality, the top 6 in every class worked their asses off the get where they are. congratulations to ALL.

dont put words into my mouth josh. that i do have a problem with. by the way back when sonny did win those championships what was his record and how many 5a teams were there back then. thats what i thought. now you can rest on that.

nastyway, I'm not saying you know nothing about wrestling, sorry if thats the way it came out. I'm just saying you made it sound like 4a was easy. 321a,4a,5a,6a these guys all did a good job no matter what class they are in. For you to get on there and make a post like you did is crazy, let them enjoy thier hard work for placing in the top six. And just like suckerpunch says let's get all these guys together and let them go at it. It's called grand state!!!

Lots of jawing about what class is best: 4A, 321A, 123A, 456A, ??A. Look at the wrestlers. Look at the regional winners and 2nds. Very few 3rd or 4th placers advanced very far in any of the state tournaments. 1 and 2s won at state because they were the best in their weight and class all year. Experience and talant wins out. So what if a losing record made it too state, every class had wrestlers who should not have been their, and probably very few 3rds or 4ths out of 4A and 321A would have made it to state in 5 or 6A, or if they did they would have dropped out as fast as the 3 and 4s of the bigger schools. Another point, just glancing at a few 321A won/loss records, appeared that, generally, small school kids wrestled less matches during the year. Why, perhahs bigger schools wrestled in bigger tournaments. The only counter issues is the greater opportunities to go to state in the smaller classes, but that does not always in the least equate to better wrestlers.

Hey Nastyway ! Colby alone has produced THREE D I ALL AMERICANS. Steve Lampe- Iowa St / Matt Murray- Nebraska / Eric Luedke- Iowa (still in the hunt for the Olympics) Just the facts. For a small, meaningless member of 4A, I think that speaks for itself.

Add Erisman at OSU. Not an AA yet. But, I bet he will be before he is finished.

so cokeley doesnt know anything because you THINK 5A could beat 4A? thats your opinion, even though a bad one its still yours. and you better throw 6A in there cause if im not mistaken the big schools have been getting beat in the senior classic the past couple years and you make gestures like 5A wins easy and this guy beat that guy. why dont you do some research next time and throw in some kid's names. then maybe someone will take you seriously.

Big schools won pretty handily in the senior classic last year. I'm not mistaken.

Jeeze Testy Westy, my son was one of those listed so I figured you were talking about him but regardless I was talking about all of them.

The blasting is not about the top of 5A and 6A. The blasting is about the lack of depth and the steep drop off after the top two or three. The real measure is to match up 4 through 6 to see which class is the toughest. There are way too many losing records and too many easy pins in the first two rounds of 5A and 6A. We need to do it right like the Okies and invite only the top 8 to state for 5A and 6A if we are not going to combine them. This would make the mat space and other logistics easier to contend with when we do the right thing and move all three classes into the same arena. Man up and admit the 5A and 6A have NO depth.


Working on completing the rest of this. Update later, got to take a nap.

Furches 2
lost to Gentzler 5A
lost to Sparr 4A

Peters 2
lost to Kyle Johnson 4A
lost to Penka 5A

Jesseph
lost to Madl 6A
lost to Goree out of state

Newell
lost to Sommer 4A
lost to Peak 5A

Sommer 2

Bortz 1

Cokeley 3
lost to Napier 4A
two out of state losses

I believe one of Sommer's losses came at the Baldwin Tournament to an Oak Park Missouri wrestler. Not sure about the other one and have no idea on Bortz's loss.

Sommer lost to Chris Watson of Andover Central there-5-1 I think....Watson was the 4A champ at 152 last year.

I was wrong. I forgot that he meet up with Watson.