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Something I had never seen #98681 01/21/07 04:11 AM
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At the Beloit tournament Vesta for Manhattan was wrestling Plott from Salina South in the 103 lb. semi-finals. With about 5 seconds left Plott was leading 1-0 and they were in the neutral. There was a scramble at the edge of the mat a Plott turned and ran around the mat while Vesta was chasing him. It was a full out sprint. The referees gave him a stalling warning and he won 1-0. I had never seen anyone completely turn and run in a circle. I thought Plott was fleeing and left the mat briefly, but the refs apparently did not see it---and I don't think they could quite believe what they were seeing.

Re: Something I had never seen [Re: abuhu0704] #98691 01/21/07 07:36 AM
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Get him out for the track team!


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Re: Something I had never seen [Re: Aaron Sweazy] #98693 01/21/07 07:40 AM
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Re: Something I had never seen [Re: bighead] #98703 01/21/07 01:25 PM
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I've seen it, and it's always been surprising, but it's also pretty good stategy; now, I wouldn't necessarily coach a kid to turn and run, but as long as he wasn't going out of bounds, he could back up really, really fast. It may not look tough, but what works works if it's legal.


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Re: Something I had never seen [Re: abuhu0704] #98704 01/21/07 01:43 PM
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Man, that is very funny. Thanks for the good laugh!

Originally Posted By: abuhu0704
At the Beloit tournament Vesta for Manhattan was wrestling Plott from Salina South in the 103 lb. semi-finals. With about 5 seconds left Plott was leading 1-0 and they were in the neutral. There was a scramble at the edge of the mat a Plott turned and ran around the mat while Vesta was chasing him. It was a full out sprint. The referees gave him a stalling warning and he won 1-0. I had never seen anyone completely turn and run in a circle. I thought Plott was fleeing and left the mat briefly, but the refs apparently did not see it---and I don't think they could quite believe what they were seeing.


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Re: Something I had never seen [Re: Dean Welsh] #98719 01/21/07 05:28 PM
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I did this yesterday too! Getting as far away as possible in the neutral position with ten seconds left in the third up by two seems really smart.....but as most of my coaches and teammates told me afterwards, it's usually smarter to shoot a quick low shot because they are going in so hard at you. You don't have to finish the takedown, just grab that leg and hold on for dear life!

Re: Something I had never seen [Re: Andy Hurla] #98748 01/21/07 10:26 PM
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The kid just wanted to go fast.


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Re: Something I had never seen [Re: Ricky Bobby] #98765 01/22/07 01:06 AM
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I think Plott did at least 1 full lap just inside the circle.

Re: Something I had never seen [Re: chewie] #98780 01/22/07 02:37 AM
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ive only seen that one time and that was because it happened to me in a match. the score was tied and my opponent was on bottom and escaped and ran around the mat to avoid getting taken down and the ref hit him with a warning and the match ended i lost 9-8


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Re: Something I had never seen [Re: outta_the_blue] #98790 01/22/07 03:12 AM
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I believe NCAA has wording that allows officials to call "fleeing" whether it is out of bounds or not, and can award a technical violation penalty point. I like this ruling.

I also would like to see HS go to SOME of the NCAA edge of mat rulings. It increases point-scoring opportunities and does not allow for out of bounds to be "safe haven" for defending wrestlers.

For example, NCAA allows nearfall or falls to occur with any part of one shoulder in bounds, points can be scored (takedowns, reversals, escapes) with ANY part of one supporting point by EITHER wrestler remaining in bounds. And the out of bounds line is considered in bounds area, if this makes sense. In other words, a foot on the line means continue wrestling.

Only problem is a defensive wrestler can be entirely off the mat and on the wood, but the other wrestler is still in bounds.

But these change in out of bounds rules has added a lot of point-scoring action to collegiate wrestling. I would like to see NF consider some of them.

Re: Something I had never seen [Re: Kit Harris] #98801 01/22/07 03:44 AM
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i think that would make for better wrestling action Kit but i dont know how practical it is the way a lot of mats are set up at tournaments. that virtually extends "in bounds" several feet, there is already numerous times during a tournament you see action spill onto another mat. i would hate to see it become an injury hazard or slow down the wrestling overall.

Re: Something I had never seen [Re: abuhu0704] #98810 01/22/07 10:37 AM
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Thanks for someone bringing that up...we were wondering what people thought about that. We should sumit the tape to funniest home vidoes!

Re: Something I had never seen [Re: STUDZ] #98819 01/22/07 01:38 PM
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Steven took some good natured ribbing after the match ended and it was funny but I take full responsibility for his actions as I told him to run. He mis-understood my intentions. With less than 10 seconds remaining, no stall warnings and a 1-0 lead, I yelled "now we run" with the intent that he would stay completely away and move around the circle. Steven is extremely coachable and did exactly what I told him to do!

Congratulations Steven Plott--Beloit Invitational 103# Champion!

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Re: Something I had never seen [Re: Gary Seibel] #98876 01/22/07 09:36 PM
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While it was amusing it does bring up the topic of why officials dont call or call stalls. It think the sprint around the circle started at about 8 seconds. Should the ref had called a stall warning within 2 seconds and make the kid wrestle the following 6???

Same Tourny x was up 2-1 on y with about 45 seconds. x literally runs to the edge of the mat and stops. y stays in the midle. Ref says nothing so y goes to x and shoots. x sprawls out of bounds they go to the middle. Same thimg happens but this time y stays in bounds. x stays sprawled out of bounds. Y grabs x by the head (not head gear) and drags x back on the mat. Ref awards tech violation to x. No stalls called?

Both great strategies if ref does not call stall but how in the world can you not interpet those as stalls.

Same Tourny, wrestler has leg in, bottom wrestler is being turned with back perpendicular to mat. Wrestler making the offensive move is called for stalling.

Frustrating to see this called when you see wrestlers put the hand in the crouch and arm bar and ride for 3 or 4 minutes of the match with nothing called. Yes they put thier knee out of the whole occasionaly but there is no attempt to make an offensive move.

This is the one area the refs should find some consistancey in how a stall is interpeted then apply it consistently through out their ranks. I say make them wrestle.

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Re: Something I had never seen [Re: 5kids] #99042 01/24/07 05:30 AM
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kinda goes back to 4a state championship 189 finals match with strawn and sutton-kearn (sp?) wrestling. it was tied up and the ref hit sutton-kearn with stalling when both wrestlers were gassed with a few seconds left in the match and gave strawn the win. not the way a finals match should be decided.

u have two wrestlers that fight and work each other the whole match till they're both dead and then one gets hit with stalling when u take one step back, in the state finals at that, but when a kid is running around the mat, obviously fleeing from their opponent, all they get is a warning?


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