It is not illegal to check the oil, this move like so many others cannot be used to purposely torture another wrestler. SO if a wrestler is just checking the oil and not gaining position on thier opponent, it then would become illegal.

Coach Gibson:

My intent was to completely ignore your last statement, and summarily dismiss the statement as complete nonsense or worse. However, after further review, I can not!

One of us must be misinformed! The wrestler who did not make weight was not late to weigh in; he did not make weight after several attempts.

Please read the statement from the wrestler's mother and the eye witness.

I must question your ethics if you too would have come to the same decision! I strongly suggest you discuss this thread with the Topeka Seamen High School Athletic Director, and I believe he will inform you of the correct decision. The wrestler is not eligible for competition. Under your scenario, Hamilton from Chanute, and Bell from, I believe Basehor, would have been allowed to wrestle in the KSHSAA State Tournament although they did not meet the weigh in requirements. Fortunately, the KSHSAA and the Tournament Director(s) HAVE ETHICS, and do not allow this type of RULE BREAKING!

Again, allow me to remind you this was a USAWA Kansas Qualifying Tournament, not an open tournament.

The KSHSAA allows NO weight allowance for the Regional and State Tournament. Further, I again suggest you read the rules:

USAWA – KANSAS KIDS
SECTION I: BY-LAWS
SECTION III: TOURNAMENT OPERATIONS
PART B – QUALIFYING FOLKSTYLE TOURNAMENTS
Rule 4-5-4 There shall be no weight allowances given.

I will close by stating that you have confirmed my previous thoughts regarding your mental capacity, and were I a parent of a high school student at Seamen, I would demand a meeting with the high school Superintendent, Principal, and Athletic Director to discuss your cavalier attitude towards the rules.

Richard---

"Seamen" is spelled "SEAMAN"

To on top-85, The call was not made by another official itwas made by the ref on the mat after the opposing coaches kept yelling over and over again. Anytime he got close to his butt the other coaches started yelling. The match should have never gone to overtime in the first place. The tournament officials did not see it like you said. But 100 people matside did and you could tell by their booing. The opponet shot in on a single leg and Brett attempted a butt drag. But after reding your post I guess you made my point for me. You heard Brett joking before the match about being the best oil checker around and the opponets coaches started on the ref from the opening whistle. How can you sit there with a straight face and not say the other opponet got a gift in regulation and in OT!!!

Richard,

First off I think you've missed my point entirely. Try to folllow my line of thought.

#1) As I have heard various stories from qualified sources of what actually happened and everyone is an athority on the subject, I have chosen to dismiss all as he said she said. Will we ever know the actual truth? Probably not. At this point it is immaterial.

#2) Since I know that it's time to move on, I have suggested how I would handle the problem if one of my wrestlers were to ever be in a similar situation and came out on the short end of the stick. Knowing that there is no real way to correct the error at this point, I help guide my wrestler in the process of moving on.

#3) How do we rectify the situation for the future? I offered two adoptions. One, to adopt the rules of the national tournaments which don't allow a wrestler to enter the weigh in area then leave to cut weight. The way I see it, if it's a rule good enough for All Americans, it's good enough for us. Two, to adopt a rule that includes incliment weather and mechanical error. If this rule is good enough for KHSAA, I think it would be good enough for us.

I live my life as trying to be proactive instead of reactive. To me, the error is immaterial and instead I look to ways to make sure that this error is not given the opportunity to happen again. Would you agree that the rules I look for in adoption are good rules and would help rectify the situation in an attempt to see that this never happens again?

I know your Freudian slip of Seamen and not Seaman is a subliminal jab at me, maybe not original, but a jab none the less. After reviewing the tone of the posts that I have sent your direction, I deserved it. I questioned your volunteerism and your discretion of where to send kids and that was wrong. If you still feel the necessity in calling my AD, feel free.

Before you do however, I think it's important to know that I have resigned from the school.

Please e-mail me if you would like to help me figure out how to put these adoptions in place.

jgibson@usd345.com

That is an absolutely ludicrous remark made by you OnTop-85. I don't know who the hell you are or think you are but I have never or would never brag about butt dragging. The fact is that it is a legitimate move done all the time from little guys to the Olympics. If you would like any other discussion on this topic e-mail me, shoffner22@hotmail.com or call me, (785) 766-3730. I do not appreciate being bad mouthed by a person who does not have the intestinal fortitude to leave their own name. I wish I could find you and all the other people who are coward enough to not leave their name on a talk forum.

As I stated, I never did or ever would brag about being the "best butt dragger" around. Not only is that wrong, it is absolutely vile.

You know my contacts.

Brett Shoffner
Lawrence Coyotes President
2003 High School State Runner-up
2003 Kids' State Third Place
Bronze Certified Coach
A real man who leaves his own name.