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I did not read your initial post which was edited by Randy Hinderliter and which has been deleted, as was your second post.

I did not find anything particulary disturbing in the post(s) and I do understand your frustration, however if you are unwilling to sign your name to critical comments regarding an individual it is considered an attack on the individual and will not be tolerated.

From the "policy" statement as linked by Richard Salyer..."This is the policy statement that appears at the top of the page when posting to the forum:"
I can find nowhere that that statement appears on the page when I post. In addition, I can not find that policy statement anywhere on this site. This is the first time since I have been visiting this site that the existence of that policy has ever been brought to my attention. I would ask how long that policy has been in effect?

Correct me if I am wrong, but when 'the Tiger' called out a coach for the TOHK's the post was left on the forum. In fact, I believe the thread called something like 'Problem in D2' was for the most part critical of a certain team - TOHK - and I do not think everyone put their name to their posts. I will not defend or condemn TOHK in this post, however, rules are rules. They need to be applied to all cases where similar things occur. Under these rules the thread should of been deleted. My main point with this post is to ask that the rules be consistent and the forum as an exchange of ideas - not all of which will be popular - be protected. If you review the websites for any of our neighboring states you will see the State of Kansas easily has the best website. The webmaster needs to be commended. Lets keep it that way. The forum acts to keep people interested and allow for an exchange of ideas. Some of these ideas we will like,some we will not, but they all deserve equal protection. (As long as the posts are family friendly and do not talk negatively about a kid.) This thread is an exchange of ideas about a problem we have - coaches who have worked all year long to help the sport and in effect make USAKW successful are reduced to begging for a pass at the biggest tournament of the year. That is not right!!!!

I agree with Mr. Johnson. It seems like the state tournament committee gets their jollys by making people beg for an extra pass. Now they want to charge them $75-$100 for one, This is crazy. I would like some questions answered.

1. How much money does the state tournament make in a typical year?
2.How much would it cost to provide a nice hospitality room for the coaches?
3.Why would you limit the number of coaches passes, no other major tournament that I can think of does this.
4.Who appoints the state tournament committee, is this a lifetime appointment because it never changes.
5. How can you justify charging anyone one cent more to attend or coach at the state tournament the expo center already digs in our pockets deep, the hotels in Topeka all raise their rates and require a two night stay, and now our own state body wants to take money out of the coaches pockets also.
After coaches volunteer all of their time to practice give up every weekend for months the state body should give every qualified coach that wants one a floor pass.

As for the deletions, it doesn't matter what you say as long as it's not said about the wrong people. The person I called out is one of the untouchables in Kansas wrestling. I said nothing wrong, In fact i recieved 12 messages from people that agreed with what I said, I would have recieved more but Mr.Furches acted like it was a race to delete my posts. It seems like our state body wants to exclude people from participation when they should be happy that we have the number of coaches willing to give up their time to make this sport grow.

bubowski,

#1 The State tourament numbers are presented to the state body at the annual meeting. I do not have the numbers with at the present. All money goes the general fund to support Kansas Kids Wrestling.

#2. The hospitality room food would have to go thru the Expo Center, and we have not ask for any pricing at this point.

#3. I know of several Major tournaments that sell Coaches passes to try and control the number of coaches on the floor.

#4. The Tournament Committee is appointed by the board, which is elected by the State Body. In the past 5 years to have added two new members to the committee and next year another spot opens up. Throw your name in the hat!

#5. I have been to Hundredes of tournaments and cities in the past twenty years with many differnt sports the have raised hotel prices and required a two or more night stay. This is not uncommon in the Hospitality Busniness. Several cities do it in this very state.

This whole discussion started in a way to make life on the floor of the expo a little more enjoyable for everyone. This is not a plan to make more money. I have stated many times I will only support this idea if 100% of the money is spent back on the coaches who give a huge amount of time and spend hundreds of $$$$ out of there own pockets year after year. I think it would great to have a large hospitality room for coaches to to sit and relax & enjoy them selves with some great food.
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I have been handing out coaches passes for the past five years, and your dead Wrong if you think I get my JOLLY's by being lied too, cussed at, have people go out and make copy's, Have been spit on once. In the past five years NO ONE has been turned down by me for extra passes, Unless they did attend the state body meeting or the head coach or district director informed me they did get a extra pass.

Maybe we should do it like Brut, and charge EVRRYONE $75 for a pass and then let everyone on the floor, even if you don't have a pass then no one in the stands could see!

I beleive there is a better way and all we are doing at this point is ask for ideas to make it better. Please keep the ideas coming.

Remember it's for the KIDS!

Ned Price

ned,
The expo center and brute are set up completely different, I don't think people have a problem seeing at the state tournament.
At every major tournament i have been to, they sell coaches passes for income not to limit the number of people on the floor.
if all you are looking for is income for a hospitality room make every coach on the floor pay $10 for their pass, sell them to every qualified coach that wants one and you would make more than enough money for food. It's just wrong to charge $75 for a state tournament. What are other states policys regarding coaches passes at state?

Greg, as Richard and others have pointed out, the rules and link, which you yourself had to agree to has been posted. Thanks for your concern though.

I don't know if this will direct link to the page where the person has to click agree, or if one has to log off first to see it.

I will comment as well, one of the problems with the new forum software is that after a period of time, editing, deletion of posts, or topics is not possible, at least I haven't been able to figure it out. It is one of those things I wish would be worked out, and as posted via pm to bubowiski if name is signed to the post, as per the agreement I have no trouble leaving the post. Regarding being a moderator, of course anytime Greg, or any other member wants to take on the responsiblity of moderator, which I was asked to do, that is fine with me, they can have that responsibility, I'll gladly give it up.

link: http://www.usawks.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=newuser

I am responding this one time as I have addressed the issue with you further in an email to you. Even with the new forums which have been in the last year, if I am not mistaken, every forum member had to click on the agreement page when signing on initially.

It is obvious you have an issue with me, and have since I moved to Kansas. You have stated many untrue things and many things which were taken out of context, such as the comment here. I contacted Mr. Johnson privately regarding the issue prior to posting here. As to getting into this with you again, I'll let my actions stand for themselves. Yes I have made mistakes, but I have never tried to hide from anyone, I have never made threats against anyone as you have indicated here. I have also tried to be fair with moderation responsibilities, as stated, I will be glad to give that up, but the truth is, the comments made that were deleted were deleted for a reason, an appropriate reason within the rules of the board. I would suggest that if you don't like those reasons, or have issues with me, take them up with the executive board. I would also suggest that there are several people in Augusta you can talk to who do know me, who have known me for some time. If you want their names, I'll be glad to give them to you as well.

Mr. Johnson.

I'm sure as an intelligent man, which I am sure you are, you could understand the differences between the post I made concerning the TOHK and some of the posts that have been made on this thread. In my post I was not "attacking" someone by calling them names or implying that they just didn't care. The point of my post was to ASK certain people to do the right thing. I also mentioned several times that I admired the success of their program and that the person in particular that I was asking for help has always been respectful to me. I didn't blame him for the things that were happening, as someone on here did to Leanna. If I had thought this person was intentionally disregarding certain disfunctions on purpose then yeah I would have been upset.

There is a difference between attacking someone and make constructive statements towards good goals. I think the moderators here do the best job they can, and I can't say that I've ever seen them do something that I wouldn't have done myself if I were in their position.

Mike, Don't take to heart what Greg Boucher says, everyone in the wrestling community and Augusta knows he is full of nothing but hot air and likes to stir the pot. You keep up the good work that you are doing on this forum. Greg seems to have issues with everybody except himself.

I disagree that coach's should pay "more" for a hospitality room. If the coach deserves to be on the floor, then the coach should be on the floor coaching. If the coach on the floor is not acting with the correct wrestling ethics as described in the rules, then that coach should be removed from the floor. Part of this discussion is about preventing the wrong person from getting a coach's pass. Well, just in case anyone missed the news this week...gun control doesn't work either!

$100 bucks! To coach! Are you kidding me!!! These ridiculously high prices that some national tournaments are charging for "coach's passes" are out of control and will eventually cause them to loose participation. I already have to pay $7 for my kid to eat a burger or $3.50 for a slice of pizza at State. While I'm on the subject of concessions, can the wrestling community influence the Expo Center to carry a better slection of food at the concession stands that we as coach's and parents can feed our wrestlers between matches (since I can't bring in a cooler)...I'm thinking something a little healthier than nacho's with cheeze and not as heavy as a slice of pizza? Nutrition is a huge part of wrestling (ie...to cut or not cut weight) after all, it just makes sense that we could have available a little healthier food selection.

So can anyone tell me, why can't the state afford a good hospitality room for coach's & table workers like most other sites without hitting us up for more $$? It would seem to me that as the state tournament, it is the marquee tournament of the year, and so everything around it should be also...to include the hospitality rooom for the coach's and table workers. Ottawa did a fantastic job for D1 Districts and it sounds like others did as well. I don't remember paying any additional for that (Ottawa hospitality room).

Phil McComb

Phil,

This not about trying to fund a hospitality room. This is about trying to clean up the process of extra coaches passes. Which just seems to become a bigger issue every year. If we were going to do this I wanted the extra money to go back to the coaches and the Hospitality room idea was brought up.

I promise you if I could bring in DONATED food to the expo I would blow every club Hospilaity room away, but the expo will not allow that to happen we would have to buy all the food from them.

There are a lot of great ideas out there and I am sure we will come up with the right plan to amke ALMOST everyone happy.

Ned

I coached kids wrestling in Missouri for a number of years, At their state tournament any qualified coach gets a pass. I don't quite understand what Kansas wrestling is trying to accomplish by limiting the number of passes. If you have coached all year why wouldn't your state allow you on the floor at the biggest tournament of the year. It's mind boggling.

Okay Ned, find a way to clean up the floor, fine with that, but you got me to thinking. Here is what I think you do for the Hospitality room, get some of the folks from some of the local churches, (I'll make the contacts if need be) bring in pot luck dishes for the room. I promise, when we get these folks bringing in their pot luck dishes for the hospitality room we won't have so many coaches on the floor, of course, that may not be such a good thing as the kids will need coaches.

And the fact that we couldn't have some of grandma's pie is something we can all agree on, it would be nice, but sad it can't happen.

Now that everyone has shared their thoughts on this subject, I will throw in my $.02. The food issue is minor, but the pass issue is not. Whoever decided this made a great fundamental error here. This is not the way to treat the coaches of your organization, making them kiss up and beg for the passes. I also noticed some clubs had plenty of passes, moms and non-coaches on the floor and other abuses. This process is broken and I suggest careful consideration and thought before the next decision, as someone made a major fundamental administerial error when they chose to limit it that way. If the floor is too crowded lets do something constructive about it and solve the problem.

Don't have a hospitality room, then there would be no reason to charge for extra passes. Most of the time I am so busy coaching I don't go to the hospitality room anyways.

I agree that if the problem is not enough passes to adequately coach then how is a hospitality room going to give a coach more time to coach? I do however see this as a problem and I think we should definately give more coaches passes! Maybe one for three as was mentioned before! I feel any coach who has a club represented and is bronze certified should recieve a pass! Oh and by the way I believe that the reason the tourneys charge a large amount for passes is not to limit the floor problem but to make some more money! They know that proud parents and coaches will pay any amount to watch thier children wrestle! Just as if a coach has a child that is going to state they would pay any amount to get on the floor. However, maybe we should just be thankful that these dedicated coaches want to be so invlolved with these kids (many of whom don't have any other leadership in thier lives) and the sport! Maybe a free coaches pass should be like a big thank you for all of thier time and energy! Why penalize them $75 for being involved!