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Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: S McFee] #123461 03/09/08 06:15 PM
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 Originally Posted By: oldguy1979
Could tell that with 1st point scored (unneceesary roughness violation, well deserved).

No arguement Scott should have maintained his composure however the head slap by Scott was precipitated by the McCormick's kick to Scott's head which was missed/ignored by both officials.

 Originally Posted By: oldguy1979
He wrestled a smart match to win, using what he was allowed to do-which was totally stall for 3 periods in an attempt to frustrate Coleman, which he succeeded in doing.

Should have called stalling against him about 45 seconds in, maybe then could have seen him wrestle. I have never seen a ref let someone do nothing an entire match, then reward him by giving him a stalling point in overtime.

Oh well, Frisch was terrible ref 30 years ago when i was in high school, and hasn't gotten any better!


Agreed!


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Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: RichardDSalyer] #123512 03/09/08 11:28 PM
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Way to go Tyler! Big win for our wrestler (remember he's from Kansas and Scott is from Oklahoma). I just hope he's healthy enough to repeat with Tanner Gardner as a 3X AA. It would be awesome to see the former workout partners gain AA status for the third time.

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Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: Gonz Medina] #123517 03/09/08 11:39 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Gonz Medina
Way to go Tyler! Big win for our wrestler (remember he's from Kansas and Scott is from Oklahoma). I just hope he's healthy enough to repeat with Tanner Gardner as a 3X AA. It would be awesome to see the former workout partners gain AA status for the third time.


Gonz:

If Coleman Scott is from Oklahoma than Tyler McCormick is from Missouri.

Coleman Scott is from Pennsylvania!


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Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: RichardDSalyer] #123521 03/09/08 11:47 PM
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I know. Just mistyped! How embarrassing wrestling in college at Penn. My alma matter beat Scott last year in the finals for his second title.

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Richard,

I was following the EIWA's where Penn lost the title by .5 point. Closent team title in history (there were a couple of ties). By the way, any good smart wrestlers that are intested in Penn, let me know and I'll pass it on to the coach (Zeke Jones).

Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: Gonz Medina] #123525 03/09/08 11:58 PM
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McCormick wrestled on his knee the whole match, but he was constantly moving forward while Scott was backing up most of the match. No one from OSU complained when Mark Branch wrestled from his knee. McCormick just wrestled a smart match.


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Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: Beeson] #123532 03/10/08 12:17 AM
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wrestling from knee didn't bother me. However, moving forward, from that or any position, does not mean you are trying to score, which is what the stalling rule is designed to do-make a person attempt to score. I see it all through the years, especially in Big 10 country, where they tie up arms and push to try to get stalling calls without ever attempting to score.

Scott did back up a lot-no argument there. Talking to Mark Branch this afternoon, he (Scott)was totally at a loss as to how to penetrate, and was trying to get McCormick to open up and come off knee.

The stalling point in OT was, whether warranted or not, so fast compared to anything else seen all day. Consistency should rule! (Although OSU fans have known for years it is only stalling if you wear Orange and are ahead-someone can go a whole match without a shot, but if we go 15 seconds it is stalling)

As previously stated, smart match wrestled with what was allowed. I am always cheering for KS boys to do well. It is just my opinion that match is severely tainted by very poor officiating, and think both kids deserved better.

Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: S McFee] #123752 03/11/08 01:24 AM
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Yes i do agree Coleman was backing up and on the back of his heels the entire match. McCormick wrestled exactly the way you need to to defeat Coleman. They wanted to boo if Coleman wanted to win he shouldn't of cost himself a point his fault so don"t boo his apponet. I herd all day that the kid that beat Coleman was'nt on his level come ok fans hes a two time all-american hes no fish by no means. And by the way i called McCormick over Coleman before the entire thing!

Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: usa wrestling] #123837 03/11/08 12:43 PM
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I watched the McCormick-Scott match live and saw the whole thing, except the camera did not pan to whatever Scott did out of bounds to get the penalty point for UC. Tyler is an Academic All-American as well as a two-time AA on the mat. I also saw them wrestle at Big 12's last year live when Tyler had Scott in a cradle that was never called and lost by a point or two in the end. These two are closely matched. Tyler just wrestled a smart match and backed up Scott the entire time. If you OSU guys want to watch a stalling match, watch your 174 wrestle Ben Askren on tape the last couple of years. He looked like a whipped puppy hiding from the master, now that was stalling.

Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: GT Williams] #124007 03/12/08 12:07 AM
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You know Troy Hodges, Gary Ulmer, and Myself watched that match live right in front of it and for the life of me I can't understand what people saw in that match. All three of us thought they did everything in the world to keep Scott in that match. Big deal, McCormick wrestled from one knee. I find it hard to believe that as good a low level takedown man as Scott is, that at some point he has not seen that technique to stop him from doing it. I find it laughable that anyone from OSU thinks that McCormick was stalling, Scott went backwards for three periods and could have been stalled out of the match. He was mad because Missouri had the audacity of taking his best shot away from him and the OSU crowd was an embarrassment to wrestling and I am a life long OSU wrestling fan. Going to a knee to stop a low single legger is no new thing and it has nothing to do with stalling. Some of the things the OSU crowd yelled at McCormick the rest of the day was appalling. I had my son with me and he watched John Smith grab the official and scream in his face and listened to the crowd curse McCormick and later say some of the really stupid things they yelled as well as booing him on the stand and it was just embarrassing for wrestling. My son read what Smith wrote in the program about sportsmanship and the right way to do things and he looked at me and said, "Dad he didn't mean any of that stuff did he?" Saddly I had to agree with him. McCormick and the Missouri staff did a great job of coaching and wrestling. Too bad so many people in that arena lost sight of that and of what was really important at the time. What a bad taste all of that left in my mouth and worse for every little kid in that arena.

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By the way there is nothing anywhere in the rule book that equates stalling to wrestling on your knee, one, both or any other configuration. I was amazed that when Scott was called for stalling that the very first thing he did after that was back straight up for the next ten seconds. What in the world did he think was going to happen to him? What did Smith expect to be called there? Why was anyone in the house surprised when he got dinged? I was surprised he didn't get hit the whole match for just exactly that. He did absolutely nothing that would look like he was trying to press for position. At least McCormick came forward. Scott simply gave up when he couldn't shoot low level. Branch is right and I bet he was as surprised as I was that Scott reacted in that way.

Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: Westfahl] #124018 03/12/08 12:32 AM
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When I saw Tyler wrestling from one knee I was reminded of two things! First, was Tyler tried that tactic in the Big 5 last year but didn't stay with it. Next, I was reminded of Earl Jones.

I realize that Earl doesn't have an option but he made a great career of wrestling in the 3-point stance!

If Coleman got that frustrated with Tyler, I can't imagine the meltdown he would have with Earl!


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Re: Tyler McCormick - Missouri - 2007! [Re: usawks1] #124052 03/12/08 02:38 AM
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Yeah jeez it is a tactic, like wrestling out of the collar tie or working hard hands, just another way of doing something to limit the ability of another guy to do what he wants to do. I thought it was a brilliant idea and a great way to go about working on a guy with a very good low level game. Guess OSU wanted him to just walk out and get beat. How dare him have a plan! lol

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