Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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Only in America is a Svo69 allowed to waste good oxygen and tarnish the freedom of speech. Is Svo69 is slang for moron?
Mr. Johnson, you are correct. The Kansas Team has an excellent opportunity this year. Hopefully, Detmer, Arnold, Caldwell, Flynn, Fisher, too mention a few, will continue to represent Kansas.
Excellent post Mr. William.
Svo69, Prior to defaulting, Fisher approached Carrolls' section of the auditoruim. Walked up the stairs and conversed with Mr. Detmer. Fisher is a class act.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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01/31/08 01:06 PM
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Svo69 if you are so interested why don't you call the Fischers and ask them what the problem was instead of posting uninformed opinions about a high school kid on the forums. Hey, now that is a good idea. ;-) I know someone that did that with another wrestler he was interested in and the father gladly told him what was up. The two even had a nice civil email conversation. What a nice model to follow. . . If only more would do likewise . . .
D. Dean Welsh, Junction City ***Dean plays well with others!!! ;-)
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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01/31/08 01:47 PM
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Upon reflection, I admit that it was wrong to insinuate that Fisher "ducked" Detmer. I don't know Fisher. I don't know his work ethic. Evidently alot of you do.
In hindsight, I was wrong to insuinate that he may have chosen to avoid Detmer. If Fisher or members of his family, happen to catch a glimpse of this thread, please accept my apologies. He should not have some-one second-guessing or speculating upon his reasons for forfeiting that match.
As an aside, I have seen Fisher wrestle and I'll repeat: he is a steller wrestler!
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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01/31/08 03:36 PM
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What I want to know is ... whats the big deal??? Why do you care? Jesus its a highschool sport
And it isnt like this was state or national finals .. This was just a regular ol' tournament that everyone will forget come state time!
And I wouldn't want to wrestle someone of Detmer's caliber if i wasn't 100% or close to it (because you going to need it to win a match like that) .. and again this was an unimportant match at an unimportant tournament
so let something so miniscule go ..
Hey Butt-Head what did people do before they invented TV? Don't be stupid Beavis there's always been TV, there's just more channels now. Oh yeah, heh heh hehe... progress is cool. Heh hehe heh
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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"If" ... my aunt had different anatomy, she'd be my uncle ... with that disclaimer out of the way, I'll nonetheless pose the question: "IF" ... Romero Cotton were to wrestle Joe Bach (or for that matter, Racette or Kober) how do you think that match would turn out? Bach is the best 215 in the state he beat Racette at Eagle invite 3-2 I was told bach dominated the match. So Bach wrestling Romero would be a great match to watch. The thing that you have to remember is that Bach cut from 240-230 from football to wrestle 215 So he is big strong and athletic. He also has great technique which pretty much makes him unbeatable. However the same could be said for Romero at his weight class. In my opinion it would have to be Bach just based on size.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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01/31/08 04:31 PM
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Taking nothing away from Romero he would be hard pressed to Joe Bach. Romero has distinguished himself Nationally while Joe has remained a bit of a secret tucked away down in Liberal. Hopefully this summer he will step onto the raised platform in Fargo and get his hand raised just like Romero.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestl
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Re: Fisher/Detmer: For the time being, let's ignore "next-time". What happened "last-time? What happened? The queation remains whether Fisher "ducked" Detmer at the finals. The evolution (devolution) of this match-up is less than clear. Did Fisher qualify for the championship and bow out at the prospect of again facing Detmer ... or was he injured. What happened? Fisher was ill in the Chanute SEK Invitational. He was throwing up. Is that a good enough reason?
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestl
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestl
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Jordan Meyer is 21-0 at 152lbs for Sabetha
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestl
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Ha HA HA hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!! A EXHIBITION sounds good to me.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestl
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestl
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anyone know the results between carroll and kaupun tonight. i would think that carroll rolled but dont know how many jv wrestlers they may have thrown in there.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestl
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Jordan Meyer is 21-0 at 152lbs for Sabetha who is that? has he beat anybody good?
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestl
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Jordan Meyer is a Senior at Sabetha High School, he was a state runner-up last year at 152lbs, losing by 1 point to Jordan Geinger of St. Francis. He won the Beloit tournament defeating Travis Rempe of Smith Center in the finals, he won the JayHusker Tournament beating Blake Mayes of Beloit, and he won the Rossville Tournament. He was named the Outstanding Wrestler of the Marysville tourney. Today he improved to 28-0 defeating Austin Lee of Jeff West. A previous post asked for "other" undefeated wrestlers than those already mentioned. Being his coach I posted in response to that. And I think that to be 28-0 that wrestler had to beat someone "good" somewhere along the way, it is not like it is a JV record. I am in no way comparing him to the people on this post, I am just stating that he is undefeated, an at the moment, has been untouched!
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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With all due respect, Racette wrestled Bach last year and I believe he only lost by one. They wrestled again this year and I think Bach won 3-2. Seems like they're pretty even to me. I saw Romero bump up to 215 for a few duals in OKC for the Junior Duals last July. He can beat many of them, but the top 215 guys are too much. Of course one of those was Deron Winn. Kober and Racette are solid upper level wrestlers, but Joe Bach is a cut above them. I believe Romero would struggle to beat Bach. I would like to see Detmer wrestle Bonewell, although getting back to that Fisher match, I think it would be much closer next time.
I really hope we can get our top guys to stay together for the Duals in July. They have a real chance to make a run at the big dogs in Pennsylvania and Illinois.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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Bach is 2-0 against Racette. That's not even. It's a cut above.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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Oh OK. Whatever gives you a warm fuzzy.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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yea.. thats what i thought
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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Cotton; I assume your response is directed at Chief since he basically said Cotton would struggle with Bach. Chief sounds like someone who has never seen Cotton or Racette wrestle. He may have, but he makes himself sound that way. I've never seen Cotton wrestle, but I've heard he's an animal. Racette has wrestled Bach and they struggled with each other, literally. Racette lost both matches by ONE point. Now, if Chief is suggesting that Bach dominated those matches (his hearsay) then that is the best disquised domination I've seen. If you're able to dominate, I would think the margin of victory would be greater.
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Re: The Untouchables or The Truely Dominant Wrestlers
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Joe did not "dominate" either match w/racette. Last year was 3-0, with nobody giving him a chance til it was over. this year it was 3-2, with a ref that was "tighter" than both wrestlers. He controlled both matches while riding, and couldn't be held down while on bottom. I assume that is what was meant by dominating. He also scored takedowns in both matches. All that said, 2 good moves in each match was what seperated those boys. I've seen alot of darn good wrestlers get a lead and "lay-up" for the win when they are wrestling another outstanding wrestler. Also, it seems to me that even if wrestlers are great offensively, they need great defensive skills as well to be undefeated. We all have seen guys dominate a match, only to mess-up and get pinned in desperation.
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