first of all i would like to congradulate taylor on another start to an outstanding season i would like to be the first to wish him the best of luck the rest of the way. my family has ben friends with tim, shelly, taylor, and stuby for over ten years now. we have and always will wish them the best of luck in whatever they do. friends like the moeders you don't find very often and my family is better for knowing them. the day tim told me his family was leaving was a very sad day for my son dalton, my daughter kellee, and me. we are far better for having the honer of being friends with them and can only hope that we stay close throughout the years even though we are miles apart. with that said i would like not only for octagon to post his name but also get his facts strait. if you only knew the moeders the way my family does you wouldn't be posting these stupid coments. my son would not be where he is today in life or in the sport of wrestling if we wouldn't have known tim and taylor. in the sport of wrestling my son owes them alot. we will always be thankfull. dalton and i would also like to give a thanks to cokely, all his time and effort in the sport of wrestling has personly helped my son in his wrestling career. thanks will. we look forward to seing you guys at state.
darin, dalton, and kellee snyder.

Level playing field!!!! What are we talking about. There is no such thing. Life is not fair. That is what wrestling is all about. Its about learning to overcome adversity. In life you will have many and if every time you face some you yell 'I want a level playing field' you are never going to get anywhere. You want a level playing field in wrestling - maybe we should dictate how many stars each high school team can have.

I think what Will is trying to say - sometimes not real well - is wrestling must improve in Kansas or is will go the way of golf and swimming. If something doesn't improve, it will ultimately cease to exist as we know it. Having been away from wrestling for almost 25 years before my son started I see wrestling is in a state of decline. Yes the good kids are better now, but many schools cannot even fill out a whole team. Will is just asking the 'powers that be' to allow us to improve. My son will go to a 3A, public school, and the changes Will wants will help him. Small schools lack practice partners and would be better off if multi-squad practices were allowed. Allowing these kids to attend Purler clinics during the Christmas break would not only help, but is about free choice - an American principle. And, I do not think my Democrats would be against that Doug.

The whole idea that 3A schools cannot compete unless KSHSSA holds everyone else back is bull. I understand that small schools need all their athletes to go out for every sport and do not like a specialized athlete. But it will come. Whether you like it or not kids are going to specialize. It cannot be stopped. The discussion needs to be how to make this work, not how to stop it. Will has some good ideas, maybe not all. But, people need to recognize that those who strive to be the best will seek each other out and do what it takes to compete on a national level. Then what will we do - level the playing field and ban them from KSHSSA events because they are too good.

My son will start High School next year and I think it should be between him and his coach who he practices with, if he attends clinics, etc, not a governing board - and to say 'then don't participate' is not a choice.

Did I miss the "claim to do all they do"?

There are many supporters of wrestling in their local communities who choose to remain in relative anonymity and others who feel the need to get their name in the spotlight to promote themselves.

Inasmuch as I am personally acquainted with Will and sportsfan02 I can attest to the fact neither seek the spotlight.

Maybe that wasn’t the best use of wording on my part, but Richard, maybe you would like to comment on following the forum rules regarding use of names when making personal attacks. I obviously wasn't speaking of Will, he always uses his name, I don't know of him ever using an alias on either Kansas or other National Forums to make negative comments towards others, certainly not ever towards any High School Kids. Of course I am not implying that Sportsfan02 or the other poster on this thread has done that, but I know of at least one poster on here who has.

Or a person could choose to simply go back and delete any negative or controversial posts that he or she has made after the fact. Personally, I find that as distasteful as name calling. Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate.

So Greg Boucher, are you getting off the bull or going to cowboy up and admit who you are? Ad homonym attacks are as of much value as a nameless poster on these forums who continue to make attacks but don't have the guts to admit who they are. By the way, why don't you fess up?

When you see me Sportsfan02 attack someone be sure to let me know. I would never do something as gutless as going back and deleting some of my old posts. I prefer to think of myself as some sort of messageboard super hero, pointing out hypocrits and frauds wherever I find them. Maybe I should add an "S" (for Super), to the front of my screename?

So this is an admission as to being Greg Boucher, also Greg, as per staying focused and off those ad homonym attacks, why do you clearly violate the forum rules? Now what was it you said about calling others names like gutless, "Once someone resorts to name calling they have in effect lost the debate."

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There are just two basic rules that are necessary to keep in mind. First, remember that this is a family oriented forum, and is regularly viewed by young wrestlers. Second, "cheap shots" will not be tolerated. If you are going to post a message critical of an individual, group or idea, you must give your true name and/or email address. Be willing to stand behind your comments, or keep them to yourself.

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I accept the Board Rules.

I said "I" Sportsfan02 "would never do something as gutless as going back and deleting some of my old posts". Hope that clears it up for you.

Care to comment on those forum rules you seem to keep ignoring?

Also to help you out a little:

ad homonym:
A logical fallacy used in an argument or debate. When someone attacks the person instead of the subject at hand, usually complete irrelevant and personal

I feel certain that if I was in violation of any forum rules I would be notified.


So, insisting on knowing a posters identity other than by their screename, instead of addressing their particular opinion or idea would be an "ad homonym"? I get that! My philosophy would be best described in the words of Jim Rome "have a take and don't suck".

i've got an idea, let's all pick a date. show up and argue all you want for five hours. in the end we will give you all medals and call you debators. this is a free website,and i feel that you should be able to post any thing you want and hide your identity if you feel the need. what i don't think needs to happen is to get on here and banter back and forth over stuff that has nothing to do with anything. cokely like i said before, stop getting drug into the street. if you are truly proud of what you and you sons have done in this sport (and you should be), then you don't need to come on here and battle. if you guys want this to be a forensics website, keep it up. if you want to keep it a wrestling website, then contact me, i'll set up the time, place and supply the ref. sportsfan02, keep to the subject at hand, or stay off the site. again this is a wreslting site, not forensics, or english.

As an assistant coach, the article helped to remind me that a good wrestling program is always a work in progress, and believe me I do my best to form relationships with the younger kids to help keep our program numbers good.
It also reminded me to make sure I did my best as a teacher to insure all my students received an academically challenging education.

Great article. I am anxious to see Cokeley compete at the Garden City Invite. He is undefeated and can solidify his season by beating the boy from Rio Rancho (Trujillo) who took 2nd at 130 at Reno Tournament of Champions. This is going to be a heck of a match! Any Predictions???

I agree and I try not to be the first one to hijack any thread but will sometimes jump in once the ice has been broken. We have IMO already seen some of our traffic diverted to other prep messageboards and blogs due to the name calling that goes on here. That said, I will not allow anyone other than a moderator to tell me to "stay off the site".

Traffic has been diverted to other prep messageboards due to the name calling? So to avoid name calling, someone has started regularly visiting Florida's wrestling site?

No, other Kansas prep sports messageboards and blogs.

Louis beat Ryne in the Finals at Fargo in Freestyle. He is physical and stays in great position. Much like CJ Napier. There are some other tough hombres in there as well. Dan Frank and Trent Cox. Both 2x SC seniors. It will be fun!

I read this post and had to reply. I have to go with the Moeder family on this one. I think a parent has a right to send their kids wherever they want to, regardless of the sport element. I've had 5 kids go through school systems, both public and private. They were able to go where they could do the best. It wasn't always easy either. I wouldn't change a thing. The only drawback in Taylor's situation is I miss seeing him wrestle and seeing the family in Colby. I wish them the best of luck, that goes for Taylor also. Be sure to look me up when back "home" next time. Maybe by then I can feed you some BBQ !