4A Rankings - January 25th
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1 Colby 2 Clay Center 3 Andale 4 Abilene 5 Chanute 6 Scott City 7 Columbus 8 Wichita Independant 9 Concordia 10 Ulysses
103 Konnor Kriss Colby 9 103 Luke Cole Abilene 12 103 Austin Hood Louisburg 9 103 Hunter Stalford Caney Valley 9 103 Taelor Mendenhall Concordia 9 103 Alex Wolf Smokey Valley 9
112 Kenneth Ornales Chanute 12 112 Taylor Moeder St. James 10 112 Alan Callhan Baldwin 12 112 Nathan Reed Colby 11 112 Paco Antillon Scott City 11 112 Bo Newport Prairie View 10
119 Zac Sparr Rose Hill 11 119 Logan Singular Clay Center 11 119 Nathan Furches Clearwater 12 119 Robbie Hines Ulysses 10 119 Travis Janzen Hesston 12 119 Tim Wrestler Chanute 10
125 Derrick Weller KC Piper 11 125 Symon Seaton Basehor-Linwood 10 125 Alex Bontz Wichita Independent 9 125 Brandon Charbonneau Clay Center 9 125 Kyle Johnson Columbus 10 125 Zach Peters Augusta 12
130 Ryne Cokeley St. James 10 130 Derek Schnittker Hugoton 11 130 Nick Collins Augusta 10 130 Colton Duhr Andale 10 130 Anthony Negrette Buhler 11 130 Trevor Williamson Wichita Independent 12
135 CJ Napier Columbus 12 135 Tyler Anderson Clay Center 11 135 James Medlin Hesston 12 135 Bryce Hood Louisburg 11 135 Matt Grier Wichita Independent 12 135 Anthony Whitley Labette County 11
140 Cameron Jesseph Chanute 12 140 Cody Bontz Wichita Independent 11 140 Cody Hill Hugoton 10 140 Matt Brock Tonganoxie 12 140 Zach Reeb Jeff West 12 140 BT Ohara Columbus 10
145 J. Hattabaugh Andale 10 145 Quinton Wuthnow Abilene 12 145 Morgan Numrich Scott City 11 145 Chris Coover Ottawa 11 145 Josh Rodriguez Ulysses 11 145 Trent Robb Perry-Lecompton 10
152 Derek Newell Ulysses 12 152 Nathan Sommer Prairie View 12 152 Willie Eck Andale 12 152 Derek Soucie Wichita Independent 12 152 Ethan Stickle Colby 11 152 Lukius Stacy Chanute 12
160 Benny Armstrong Andale 11 160 Ryan Wuthnow Abilene 12 160 Andrew Flanagin Colby 10 160 Cameron Leupold Hiawatha 10 160 Zach Anderson Clay Center 11 160 John Hambleton Labette Co. 11
171 Breck Arnberger Colby 12 171 Tyler Hassenbank Concordia 12 171 Jake Price Caney Valley 12 171 Chaston Hoeme Scott City 12 171 Cole Geison Holton 12 171 Noel Richardson Chapman 12
189 Joel Marrs Clay Center 12 189 Darnell Bortz Pratt 12 189 Treat Bugbee Colby 12 189 Dylon Walker El Dorado 12 189 Dylan Bowman Wellington 12 189 Zach Grimes Osawatomie 10
215 Tanner Kriss Colby 12 215 Michael Patenaude Clay Center 12 215 Kendall Pierce Circle 12 215 Taylor Wuthnow Abilene 11 215 Levi Kindel Concordia 12 215 Chase Kreutzer Pratt 12
285 BJ Finney Andale 11 285 Tank Burns Columbus 11 285 Adam Weber Colby 11 285 Tyler Gjerstad Abilene 11 285 Dennis Devader Holton 12 285 Dakota Denny Caney Valley 10
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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at 215 taylor wuthnow of abilene beat levi kendel of concordia in the abilene concordia dual and at beliot
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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at 215 taylor wuthnow of abilene beat levi kendel of concordia in the abilene concordia dual and at beliot Yep, I meant to switch those two but must have forgot when I mover Taylor from 189 to 215. Thank you for the correction.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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02/02/09 11:19 PM
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Wasn't 145 Trent Robb from Perry-Lecompton ranked higher at the beginning of the year?
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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is there any way that whoever does the rankings could add current records. makes it a little more interesting.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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Only if coaches sent in the records. It would be very difficult to keep a win-loss tally for the rankers let alone have there rankings currently updated.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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Yes, it would and is very difficult. It would amount to a full time job. I realize that there are people out there that could handle it but I can admit that I know my limits. Perhaps my successor will be able to take on this feat. Also, I did not update because I was not made aware of any major movements in terms of head to head. Yes, there were some good suggestions made but it will again be updated on Sunday, then prior to Regionals and then of course prior to State. Yes, that is correct, only three weeks left to the high school season!!
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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I think some of you guys take the rankings to heart a little to much. Mr. DeWitt you do a good job at your rankings. So just wait in three weeks we all will know who is #1,2,3,4,5,&6.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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Records don't mean a thing, in my opinion. Look at the kids placing in the top two at Garden City with 5 or more losses. The level of competition that you see will prepare you much more for the post season than wrestling competition that you will walk through. I would MUCH rather have a kid with 8 losses in a tough schedule coming through the backside at the state tournament than a kid who went in undefeated with lots of dual forfeits and a weak tournament schedule. The kid with the losses has always had his back against the wall coming through.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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at 160 ethan mumaw has beaten cameron leupold twice in the last 2 weeks
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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Do you count dual forfeit and bye on your record? Our coach dosent...What about inj default in the bracket to place? Last year at Beloit Weigel inj default to six and those lost's were not on his state bracket.Just asking.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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Personally, I feel if you don't wrestle it doesn't count. If you shake hands and start the match then whatever happens counts on your record. If you have no opponent then you cannont win. If you don't step on the mat you cannot lose. I know coaches who count dual or tournament forfeit wins towards lettering criteria and that is justified since you earned your team points but they are not true wins.
That being said, I have seen coaches count anything they can to get a seed. The whole seeding process in high school has been such an eye opener. Purely, seeding SHOULD be used to seperate the best wrestlers. I have seen some of the goofiest criteria ever. Freshman can't be seeded, last year's tournament placing is more important that last year's state placing, last year's head-to-head doesn't count, placing at 103 doesn't mean anything, yada yada yada. Coaches can become real cunning in a seeding meating. The true spirit of the sport is lost when that starts happening. The best wrestler always gets first but when the two best end up on the same side of the bracket it isn't fair to anyone from 2nd on down. Coaches should use common sense to seperate the two best and then use criteria if needed.
Seeding meetings get quite confrontational too. Why in the world would you use a mat official to run one of these? All that does it create a situation where a coach and the mat official butt heads. Don't even try to tell me that the mat official won't remember that and take it to the mat. An AD or other non-coach figure should be use to manage the seeding meeting.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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I understand the no match no win concept - There though has been times where during a dual a coach may not send a wrestler out to wrestle even though he has one at a certain weight. Should the kid that went out to the mat be punished on his win / loss record in a case like this. At a dual meet some time back there where three teams, at one of the weights all three teams had wrestlers. In one of the duals they wrestled but when came time to wrestle the other team neither team would send their wrestlers to the mat "One coaches comment was it would be like sending the chickens to the wolf". But again when we get close to regionals and state after everyone regular seasons are wrapped up how to some kids have these 40 + match seasons with mostly wins - If they are that good most their tournaments would consist of 3 or sometimes 4 matches?
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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I understand the "cheap" win issue and the inconsistency in the way coaches record their wrestlers records. I have come to the conclusion that if a wrestler scores team points, he records the victory. Otherwise, when recording team points you would have to add those points to another match in order to have an accurate count for that wrestler. This does not count BYES in tournaments!
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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make them all round robin tournaments and skip the seeding, hahaha. no one has ever state title at a seeding meeting, they have to wrestle for it.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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KSHSAA 2008-09 Wrestling Manual--Pg. 12 ----1.G Wrestler's Record In determining the wreslter's record for seeding purposes, actual match competition, forfeits, and defaults should be included. Byes should not be included. Coaches should be prepared to privide documentation of each wrestlers record at the regional seeding meetings.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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I've been at double duals when a kid has won over another earlier in the season, but is to hurt to wrestle that kid again in the dual. Yet, can wrestle in the other dual with no problem against a lesser opponent. Might of had something to do with regional seedings?
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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KSHSAA 2008-09 Wrestling Manual--Pg. 12 ----1.G Wrestler's Record In determining the wreslter's record for seeding purposes, actual match competition, forfeits, and defaults should be included. Byes should not be included. Coaches should be prepared to privide documentation of each wrestlers record at the regional seeding meetings. Nice post Coach.
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Re: 4A Rankings - January 25th
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