Just got lucky!

Moeder wins 4-2

Who won HWT?

Finney in OT

Seriously? You really think rankings mean that much? You've beat this dead horse for four years. I don't coach anymore, but I believe the reason Goddard doesn't go has more to do with budget and the fact that so many two day tournaments were taking a toll on the wellness of the wrestlers.

I'd say that you don't know Coach Means if you think he cares about rankings, but since you are not willing to post your name, maybe you do know him and it's personal. Ponderosa is a great team and probably deserves a national ranking, but you need to give the crying about Goddard a rest. Rankings mean nothing, much like anonymous posts.

Couldn't have been put better!!!!

Well I think if I said my name it wouldn't ring any sort of bell with a single person in Kansas, so what's the difference?

The only two times Goddard came to this tournament they got stomped by unranked Ponderosa. Rather than drop out of the rankings, they contacted Bob Preusse (the guy who does the AWN rankings) to explain why they had lost so badly. I know because Bob Preusse told so. Then they just stopped coming to this tournament altogether.

Being ranked in the country should be a real honor for a team, and I hate seeing Goddard in the rankings when I know they don't belong and never have. They haven't beaten anyone and now avoid the best tournament in their state. How is that supposed to look? I can guarantee that someone in the program is still talking them up to Preusse though, otherwise he would have never heard of them. Why would he? They haven't beaten anyone and don't go to any high profile tourneys.

Edit: No, Ponderosa absolutely does not deserve a national ranking and that's not the point I'm trying to make.

The KCI tournament Goddard goes to at the beginning of the year is a much tougher tournament than Garden City with many national ranked teams, so if all Goddard cared about was protecting their ranking why would they go there?

Parker is experiencing Goddard envy. With Ponderosa having 6 wrestlers under .500, he is feeling a bit defensive. Goddard would have had 5 finalists with at least 3 Champions. Their 40 pounder was owned by Caldwell in 07 and there is no wrestler on their team that deserves a ranking higher than Caldwell or Beard. I know he was discounting his Ponderosa team but to make the point, Goddard would beat them 12 weights out of 14 in a dual. I think that phone conversation with Bob Preusse didn't go quite the way you think Parker.

Who was OW????

Louis Trujillo

Well I think if I said my name it wouldn't ring any sort of bell with a single person in Kansas, so what's the difference?

The only two times Goddard came to this tournament they got stomped by unranked Ponderosa. Rather than drop out of the rankings, they contacted Bob Preusse (the guy who does the AWN rankings) to explain why they had lost so badly. I know because Bob Preusse told so. Then they just stopped coming to this tournament altogether.

Being ranked in the country should be a real honor for a team, and I hate seeing Goddard in the rankings when I know they don't belong and never have. They haven't beaten anyone and now avoid the best tournament in their state. How is that supposed to look? I can guarantee that someone in the program is still talking them up to Preusse though, otherwise he would have never heard of them. Why would he? They haven't beaten anyone and don't go to any high profile tourneys.

Edit: No, Ponderosa absolutely does not deserve a national ranking and that's not the point I'm trying to make. [/quote

I hate that I've been drawn into this, but you are wrong about a few things here. You see, Parker, I was the coach of Goddard the first year that Ponderosa whooped us. Let me give you some history. The first tournament of the year we beat then #7 ranked Bishop Lynch. They did not have all of their guns at the tournament, but after the tournament Bob Pruess ranked Goddard. No phone calls were made, but I did get an e-mail asking about the team after the ranking. I did not lobby for any ranking, but I did give him info on some of our kids. That was the last contact I remember having until after the season ended. I did give him information on what was coming back the next year and he must have thought that they deserved some respect. If you're so tight with Preuss, you tell me why he would rank us. I don't know the man, but I imagine he had a reason.

As for getting whooped...yep, Ponderosa beat us. Did we have some of our guys sick or injured? Just two that I recall, but Ponderosa may have been depleted too. You see, they were better than us. We don't make excuses or cry on the internet over stuff that is out of our control. I don't like to see our student-athletes and school being attacked by someone that is not dignified enough to put his name on the board. I won't argue that Goddard deserved/deserves a national ranking, because it means very little. I will dispute your "facts" though. As stated earlier, Goddard wrestles in the Toshiba in KC. They also see great competition in several other tournaments. We have two DI signees and a DII signee and a bunch of other great kids that wrestle hard all of the time. Why don't you contact me personally if you would like more information.

were are the national team rankings at?

Amateur Wrestling News online

The whole idea that Goddard needs to be defended on this forum is Rtardid. Goddard has nothing to prove, they already have proved it. They easily bested Oklahoma 6A top 5 powers Stillwater and Yukon at the Ark City tournament. They were 6th at the Nationally recognized KC National Classic barely finishing behind top Oklahoma team Ponca City. Although they did place behind Missouri power Blue Springs at KC, they did best them the previous week in a dual. They are obviously not scared of high quality competition. If they were trying to "protect their ranking" they would not have gone to KC. They also attend Basehor which is no slouch and has Iowa and Missouri teams. Noone needs to call AWN, as Bob is always watching. This is not the first time that Goddard has been nationally ranked either and it should be no suprise that they are ranked now inspite of there absence at Garden City. I can guarantee one thing for sure and that is that Goddard is not concerned with national rankings. They are only concerned with high quality competition that gets them ready for the 6A state tournament. That is why they have one of the toughest schedules in the state, inspite of the fact that they do not go to Garden City.

I wrestled this weekend at GC and was wondering where Jace Banner of GC was? Does he not wrestle anymore. I was just curious.

I thought I saw his name a few weeks ago listed in the tournament results for a KC tournament with his school listed as Van Horn High School.