I would like any officials out there to give me an opinion on this, especially the ones who officiated the match. Here is the link:

http://www.321wrestling.org/photos/championship_finals/pages/125_oakley_eureka_JPG.htm

I'm not whining, I would just like to see some accountability by officials in the state finals. See rule 7-3-3. This was called as locked hands.

Dylan,

I have the match recorded from the SHPTV broadcast, but didn't watch it that closely. I remember the announcer said Jace had both legs. I think locked hands had already been called before this picture was taken. I'll try to watch it again and give you an opinion.

Prior to this picture being taken, he had both legs, briefly, at least from my viewpoint.

Keep in mind that we announcers are looking at A LOT of things throughout the broadcast, eg. our monitor, our spotter, each other as we speak, our notes, our brackets, etc... and sometimes must depend upon the referee's call to help us call the match. I know at one time Jace had both legs. Whether his hands were locked at that moment I honestly can't say I could see from where we were sitting. But I assumed they were based upon the referee's call.

When I first saw this thread I thought the controversy would be regarding the head-scissors call earlier in the match. That one, from my vantage point I disagreed with. It appeared to me that he simply had his legs butted-up against one another, and not scissored... again that was just the glimpse I got from our angle. That took place right in front of us, the other call was clear across the mat.

My point in posting however was just to let windjammer know that just because Mike or I say something on the broadcast it doesn't mean it's correct. We have more going on than just watching the match. Not only in what we are looking at, but also in what we hear. We are hearing something different in our right ear than we are in our left... literally.

Troy Reitcheck

The rule clearly states "Beyond reaction time." The posted picture displays NO infraction. I would love to see the entire match.

There should be accountability, evaluation of, and finally a rating of officials. The "good ole boy system" is a joke. It can be done, affordably and effectively. I am tired of hearing that the way we do it now is fine and fair. It, clearly, is not either.

If my memory serves me right, the outside official made the initial sign for locked hands. The lead official then got around to see for himself then made the call of locked hands. The still photo that is posted does not tell the whole story. It does not show how long before it was taken that the signal was given. As you know this signal is given and held until a stop in the action or an escape or reversal is given. I know that you didn't agree with the call, you even talked it over with the official. But the fact is the call was made long before this picture was taken. It is a false view of what happened on the mat, and i don't think that it leaves a fair light of the officials.

In my opinion, this was more than a reaction time thing, and the picture does no justice to the call. And thanks for the 2 cents on how the officials are chose, glad to see you slide that in there.

Consider the topic closed. It was not my intention to drag anyone's name through the dirt. For the record, the official pictured (Sheeley? Sorry if the spelling is incorrect) didn't make either of the questionable calls. Probably should have included that in the original post.

I talked to a friend who witnessed the match and he stated, just as NCKLFAN, that the assistant or outside official spotted the violation when Campbell had wrapped both legs and appeared to have a overlapping grip which is illegal. He also stated that it stopped momentum and was beyond reaction time. The officials were correct in their mechanics and application according to this eye witness account. I wish I could see the match!

And yes Brent, I like to "slide" that in there whenever I can. I am glad you noticed it, that means it is working!!

Hey, if the refs made the right call according to Will, does that mean that the current system of how refs are picked/used in KS is working?!

;-)

I didn't have a good angle for the locked hands, so I can't comment on that. But I did see the so called scissors and I saw the legs touch, but not cross. I also believe that this was like the locked hands and was called by the side judge. I might be wrong there. I didn't watch the replay. Didn't anyone else catch this?

The short answer...NO!

Didn't this match end 10-6?? Are you saying it should have been 9-6 if the questionable locked hands were not called? I didn't see the whole match yet. Maybe I am missing something.

Yes you missed something, which is why I said "consider the topic closed". Jace was ahead in the match 6-4 with about 45 seconds left. Frye escaped and took Jace down with 17 seconds left, and at that point (because he was now down by 1) he tried a desperation roll and ended up on his back making the final score 10-6. Had the locked hands OR the head scissors not been called, the match would have been tied with 17 seconds left. The move he tried was horrible, and I don't think he knew that he had so much time left, but regardless the calls made a difference in the outcome of the match.

I should have never brought it up. The match is over, and the topic should be closed.

Congrats to Devin. We'll give it another shot next year.

I know you would like to close the topic, however I was in Hays and watched the match live. Good match. Unfortunate outcome for Jace. I didn't see the locked hands. But had a very good view of the head-scissors call. And my wife and I couldn't believe that was called. Like posted above, the legs seemed to have touched, but never crossed. Unfortunately those two calls DID change the outcome of the match. Congratulations to Mr Frye, but I believe a healthy Jace wins that match 7 out of 10 times. IMO

Hey don't discredit Frye. He went 1 and 1 with Alex Bontz this year versus Campbell's one loss to Bontz at the Hays Prairie Classic. I'm not so sure Campbell makes the finals if Patton doesn't get upset and have obviously another bad weekend at the state tournament like last year. In this particular match though Campbell should have beaten Frye but could not stop him at the end when Frye came around the body towards Campbell's bad left elbow.

As for the locked hands call it was correct and I for one think that the head scissors was not called correctly because the feet never touched at the ankles.

i believe the scissors call was correct because if i remember right they were nuetral when that occured and out of nuetral you cant scissor or figure four so it was a good call.

The legs have to cross, not touch side by side and in this case that is what happened. So the scissors call was incorrect.

Don't Discredit Campbell either, he did only finish 2nd in the State tournament. Upsets or not, it's over. There's always next year...

On the head scissors, I didn't see it as it was called, I saw legs touching each other not overlapping, the locked hands it's hard to tell from the TV. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.