Actually Lee, when I stopped to look at the numbers after I posted that I saw my mistake so I deleted the post. We started with approx 4500 wrestlers at Subs and have whittled it down to approx 1500. So, basically you would end up with one of the largest kids if not the largest kids tournament in the country. Just don't think we could pull it off. Even without the HS Div the numbers would still have been way to high. Also, while I like your idea about diff locations, most teams do not have enough coaches to spread out like that. Certainly would break up the monotony of going to Topeka though.

Hossus,

I am glad that we have a forum to discuss these issues. It is a venue that we can share ideas, learn from each other as we try to find a better way, and in the end, try to do what is best for the wrestlers who put so much time and effort (not to mention the blood, sweat and tears) into this sport. This is by far the toughest sport for kids and young men in my opinion. I think even the collegiate and Olympic wrestlers have it a little tough at times:-}.

Just a correction...

The Juniors and Seniors who are going to NHSCA Nationals better be going to Virginia Beach, VA, NOT WV (West Virginia)!

You know i think everyone on this thread has a valid point! But you all need to just be thatynkful that we still have kids wrestling in kansas, cause it is stuff like this that will drive it completely away! All im saying is just be thankful that your son opr daughter has somewhere to wrestle instead of crying and arguing about things that will probably never even change! Just my 2 cents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For those who think that wrestling at sub-districts and districts with no intention of going to state is just plain wrong or insane, you need to consider what the purpose of youth wrestling is. Is it not to gain experience for the next level? Is wrestling two tournaments instead of staying home better than sitting around the house doing nothing? If knowing ahead of time that a young man would not be wrestling at state and informing the 5th placer he could advance allowing him to wrestle is a bad thing, please explain it to me. It seems like a win-win situation to me with everyone getting to wrestle more and in the long run, hopefully, becoming better wrestlers.

just think about it- if those who would not attend state were not in subs the bracket would have been totally different- maybe different turn outs- knowing all along that you would not move on and still attend subs and dist is just plain selfish

If they only attend subs does that make them less selfish?

You are welcome to answer your own question. I am honestly curious what you think.

This can be a touchy subject, but if you sit back and look at it, it isnt.

Why is a kid not moving on when they qualified? Do you know the reason? When was the decision made? Do you know the circumstances?

There is one wrestler mentioned on this thread, that I assure you is not selfish and is a great benefit to this sport that is not moving on. I fully support their decision and wish the best for the 5th place wrestler that gets a shot at the state tournament.

Sub-districts are open to ALL in the sub-district, there is no exclusion. There are procedures in place to handle a placer not moving on to either Districts or State. So bluntly, what is the issue?

It may not matter to the older age groups but it does for 8&under!!! You could of had a great 6 year old that could have gotten to state-----I'm sure they are all benefits to wrestling?! But... they should have let it stop at subs and come clean with thier intentions---

If a kid that qualifies for state does not go to state, the 5th place kid GOES TO STATE. Noone gets screwed.

IT STARTS AT SUBS!!!

Chances are that the 5th place kid at subs won't be the 5th place kid at Districts, but I guess it could happen.

Yes it does happen. Coby Burchett from Fort Scott finished 5th at subs, got a call for districts and is now heading for State! He is also a first year wrestler....Ya, we are proud of him.

2007 6u37# 6th. 2008 6u43# 5th. 2009 8u46# 4th these are all state places. 2010 8u52# sub 2nd. 2010 8u52# dist 2nd. Wow. 16 wrestlers, 32 parents, 32 coaches, 64 grandparents that can say didn't get beat by that girl at state in 2010. My son has wrestled her and each time I hold my breath because it can happen. Look up those facts and see the names with hers great wrestlers. A national place would look great Good luck WQ. The idols

Sounds like a terrific young wrestler. I wish her the best in Oklahoma City. Call me old school, or just call me old, but tournament matches are not for practice. I especially believe that this holds true when you get to the State series of tournaments where it can alter the outcome of a bracket at Subs, and ultimately at Districts.

I know that there are some that disagree with me, maybe many, and I am fine with that. I am also fine if people disagree with my belief that tournament matches are not for practice during the season either. If your wrestler can pin an opponent in the first thirty seconds of the match, then they should pin them (unless it a gracious gesture like we had earlier this year with the young wrestlers that were courageously battling a challenge that most of our children have not had to face). A tournament match is not where you should be practicing your moves, getting up 13 or 14 on your opponent before finally pinning them or tech falling them. That is what practice is for, thus the name practice.

and not only is it Coby Burchett's first year ever but he is only 6. As a parent I don't care if he gets smoked his first two matches, I just want him to get the experience of state to make him hungry for next year. But we thought we were done after subs after placing 5th. We would have never imagined that he would have placed at districts and he did so who knows??????

DISTRICT II WRESTLES THROUGH 5/6. IT'S NOT WRONG, 5TH WILL GO IN HER PLACE! CHILL OUT, I CAN TELL YOUR EXCITED BY POSTING IN ALL CAPS!

YES I WAS TRYING TO GET MY POINT MADE- AS FOR YOUR POST... YES District II wrestled to 5/6 but and I AM ASSUMING you are talking about HER then she should have stopped at sub and let the 5th placer go onto dist---that is what is wrong--and I agree that subs and dist are not practice grounds!

ARE YOU HAPPY? I chilled out

TO ADD ON... We did watch this little girl wreslte at subs because we were told she was an up and coming wrestler- kudos to HER she was impressive but... this thread was not to bash HER but to ask the question why even wrestle for state if they had all the intentions BEFORE not to go to state!!! That goes for everyone who did this

And to the IDOLS??!!! Thanks for the stats!