So does that make Tj Stokes one of the best 17-18 year olds in the world? One reason wrestling is great is because the winner is not declared until after a 6 minute match! Show some respect where it is deserved in this case to Mr.Tj Stokes! Just because you didn't see the match doesn't mean it didn't happen. Come off your high horse (Chief Renegade, Quagmire, MaxPain) you are not the experts you "think" you are... You can not predict any given match. That's all I got.

I may not be an expert but I would bet that I probably know more than you gardner2x. You Gardner guys need to not take stuff so personally. All I'm saying is I have to see T.J. beat Gilman before I can actually believe it. T.J. is good, but I haven't seen him win tournaments like Fargo. Maybe if more kids wrestled the summer circuit too and proved them selves in front of the whole country then I guess there wouldn't be any argument here.

"none of the funk that Stokes uses would work on Gilman" (Quagmire)
Before someone without "gardner" in the user name said anything about the Gillman vs stokes dispute, you were quick to choose sides. You gave no respect to tj, for beating gillman saying there was no chance and that gillman was a different level than stokes. Stokes may not go to summer wrestling tourneys, but why should that mean he can't compete with the kids that do? Stokes has alot of natural talent. Don't be so quick to judge. People from gardner may take things personally after a comment of "you can't trust what people say... especially from a gardner kid"

So where would Aspen Kmiec fit in this conversation - obviously - on a whole different level. I think the point is, some kids are on just a whole different level - something you can't really understand unless you got to true national tournaments. I doubt if any disrespect was intended - Quagmire's knowledge and respect for the sport and those in it are without question!

Funny. You forgot the smily face that was at the end of my comment that has, according to you, gotten the whole town of Gardner, KS all upset. Seriously, chill out. I'm pretty sure everyone was ready to just let T.J. and Thomas settle it at Gardner until you brought it back up again. And for the record I don't think Chief said anything about T.J. and Thomas but you forgot about Tommyboy's comment.

Gardner2x, no it doesn't make Stokes one of the best in the world. It makes you sorely mistaken. Stokes is one of the best in Ks but Gilman is on another level.

Does the fact that Stokes doesn't do summer wrestling mean he can't beat Gilman. No. But it's just not a believable or a reasonable argument. It doesn't take a expert to know that. Just someone with common sense.

I will say this! If that were true! Then TJ Stokes needs to be moved to the #1 recuit in KS and John Smith, Rob Koll and Cael Sanderson need to get the Stokes family # on their speed dial!

Ha! How could I forget that one? Agreed. It was quite comical, however I didn't know that it started here on the rankings thread.

And, BTW - my dad can beat up your dad! ;-)

That made me smile! Thanks.

Eye witness testimony...

TJ did beat Gilman at a camp match in Iowa. The color commentary reports that Gilman just got finished with a 2.5 hour workout with the Hawkeye team. Gilman was also cutting for Fargo and weighed 124. Was TJ at 135ish? As with any story, there are details on each side. Bottom line is, it did happen. He intends to go 126 at Gardner. Maybe TJ can pull to get there? Hathaway plans to go 132.

Wow.. Well guess I stand corrected! Lets not high jack the thread anymore. I never intended to discredit Stokes anyhow. I know the kid is a stud. Great for him.

On to rankings....

Has Woodruff and Mason ever seen each other?

Not to my knowledge.

Then what's the criteria in the ranking?

Eric Mason - 2010 5A State Champion at 285.

Tylor Woodruff - 4th place at 215.

I think they will both be at Bobcat....

PRE-SEASON RANKING!


TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Andale - 4A
2. Arkansas City - 5A
3. Lawrence - 6A
4. Andover Central - 5A
5. Wichita Heights - 6A
6. St. Thomas Aquinas - 5A
7. Garden City - 6A
8. Pittsburg - 4A
9. Newton - 5A
10. Bonner Springs - 4A


106:
1. Trey Francka - 11 - CCO - 321A
2. Bryce Morgan - 11 - ELD - 4A
3. Jase Stone - 11 - MH - 6A
4. Adam Cole - 9 - CH - 4A
5. Sean DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Tristan Star - 9 - LAW - 6A
7. Dakota Leach - 11 - GD - 5A
8. Parker Howell - 10 - KMC - 5A
9. Luke Henes - 10 - STA - 5A
10. Josh Goepfert - 11 - MRV - 321A

113:
1. Zac Gentzler - 11 - AC - 5A
2. Jason Perez - 12 - ULY - 4A
3. Anthony Calderon - 12 - GC - 6A
4. Tyler Mies - 10 - AN - 4A
5. Kevin Perez - 11 - JC - 6A
6. Jr. Morgan - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Hunter Price - 11 - HOL - 4A
8. Alex Garcia - 12 - DC - 6A
9. John Risewick - 11 - NOR - 321A
10. Reese Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A

120:
1. Javier Vieyra - 12 - SS - 5A
2. Isaac Dulgarian - 9 - STA - 5A
3. Dustin Reed - 11 - CLB - 4A
4. Chris Burley - 11 - GB - 5A
5. Quinton Harrison - 11 - NEW - 5A
6. Ty Kolterman - 12 - CC - 4A
7. Zak Hensley - 9 - SJA - 4A
8. Corey Spader - 11 - SPH - 4A
9. Brad Hake - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Kevin Arnhold - 12 - HAY - 5A

126:
1. Michael Olsen - 10 - LS - 5A
2. Austin Hood - 12 - LOU - 4A
3. Dylan Schumacher - 12 - TMP - 321A
4. Colby Watters - 12 - ARK - 5A
5. Tim Prescott - 12 - MCP - 4A
6. Bryce Shoemaker - 11 - BAL - 4A
7. Hunter Haralson - 11 - LAW - 6A
8. Lukas Maki - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Alex Wolf - 12 - SV - 4A
10. Taelor Mendenhall - 12 - CON - 4A

132:
1. Bo Pursel - 12 - LS - 5A
2. TJ Stokes - 12 - GE - 6A
3. Brogan Humphrey - 10 - FRE - 321A
4. Cody Eastman - 11 - ARK - 5A
5. Clay Mulligan - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Ben Randolph - 12 - SME - 6A
7. Austin Hughey - 11 - ELD - 4A
8. Andrew Morgan - 12 - BAL - 4A
9. Shane Goetz - 12 - HUT - 6A
10. Luke Lee - 12 - AC - 5A

138:
1. Konnor Kriss - 12 - CLB - 4A
2. Miles Johns - 12 - NEW - 5A
3. Brandon Charbonneau - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Tommy Williams - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Reis Humphrey - 11 - SMS - 6A
6. Brady Heincker - 12 - DB - 6A
7. Andrew Millsap - 10 - JC - 6A
8. Wyatt Villers - 11 - ARK - 5A
9. Jake Gehring - 11 - BUH - 4A
10. Jared Fiscus - 11 - CH - 4A

145:
1. Tagen Lambotte - 10 - ROS - 321A
2. Jonathan Blackwell - 11 - BS - 4A
3. Aaron Seybold - 12 - PT - 4A
4. Dustin Williams - 10 - GE - 6A
5. Calvin Ochs - 11 - HOX - 321A
6. Chase Locke - 12 - MZ - 6A
7. Lincoln Lemon - 12 - GD - 5A
8. Ben Becker - 12 - DB - 6A
9. Alex Thibault - 11 - HAL - 321A
10. Patrick Weaver - 11 - HUG - 4A

152:
1. Connor Middleton - 12 - ONW - 6A
2. Alex Bontz - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Trey Dice - 12 - ARK - 5A
4. Rusty Yarrow - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Ky Biddle - 12 - CB - 321A
6. Mark Hobson - 12 - BS - 4A
7. Andrew Denning - 11 - LAW - 6A
8. Dalton Snyder - 12 - HOX - 321A
9. Trevor Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
10. Mark Smith - 12 - ROS - 321A

160:
1. Sam Son - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Colton Duhr - 12 - AN - 4A
3. Tyler McMichael - 12 - ARK - 5A
4. Gavin Grater - 10 - CC - 4A
5. Rory Haug - 12 - ON - 6A
6. Jacob Eggers - 12 - DC - 6A
7. Bryant Guillen - 11 - SEA - 5A
8. Aaron Puckett - 11 - BS - 4A
9. Blake Hill - 12 - SME - 6A
10. Jon Heiman - 12 - GC

170:
1. Matt Reed - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Blaine Hill - 12 - SME - 6A
3. Levi Eck - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Preston Wiegel - 10 - HAY - 5A
5. Kane Kelly - 12 - AB - 4A
6. Brent Koehn - 12 - PT - 4A
7. Tyler Willis - 12 - SH - 5A
8. Jake Bradley - 11 - PV - 4A
9. Jesse LeMay - 12 - WEL - 321A
10. Brian Wood - 12 - MH - 6A

182:
1. Reece Wright-Conklin - 12 - LAW - 6A
2. Brock Long - 12 - SES - 321A
3. Spencer Wilson - 11 - LFS - 6A
4. Tyler Lowe - 12 - EUR - 321A
5. Tyler Higgins - 12 - IKE - 5A
6. Hunter Weddington - 12 - AND - 5A
7. Nick Meck - 11 - SH - 5A
8. Hugh McConnell - 12 - NEW - 5A
9. Trey Campbell - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Tyler Henness - 12 - PAO - 4A

195:
1. Shawn Marlatt - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Ulyesses DeShazer - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Colt Castlebury - 12 - DOU - 321A
4. Darien Willis - 12 - SUM - 4A
5. Ty Suggs - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Alex Stockton - 12 - GE - 6A
7. Litton VanDerWerff - 12 - LS - 5A
8. Dillon Archer - 11 - NEW - 5A
9. Brady Munsch - 12 - SS - 5A
10. Nate Stanley - 11 - SEA - 5A

220:
1. Luke Bean - 12 - KMC - 5A
2. Nathan Butler - 11 - LV - 6A
3. Colten Lissolo - 12 - HUG - 4A
4. Cash Drylie - 12 - HAY - 5A
5. Edward Fitzgerald - 12 - SFT - 4A
6. Jordan Brown - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Tyler Keller - 12 - WNW - 6A
8. Brad Wilson - 12 - LAW - 6A
9. Myron Tipton - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Riley Oharah - 12 - GDL - 321A

285:
1. Will Geary - 11 - TOP - 6A
2. Eric Mason - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Tylor Woodruff - 12 - GD - 5A
4. Luke Hayes - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Clay Wilcox - 11 - CHP - 321A
6. Zach Callahan - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Taylor Krier - 12 - MCP - 4A
8. Broc Bennett - 12 - PT - 4A
9. Jacob English - 12 - BEL - 321A
10. Hayden Chandler - 12 - DS - 4A

PRE-SEASON RANKING!

CHANGES AT 160/170/195!


TEAM RANKINGS:

1. Andale - 4A
2. Arkansas City - 5A
3. Lawrence - 6A
4. Andover Central - 5A
5. Wichita Heights - 6A
6. St. Thomas Aquinas - 5A
7. Garden City - 6A
8. Pittsburg - 4A
9. Newton - 5A
10. Bonner Springs - 4A


106:
1. Trey Francka - 11 - CCO - 321A
2. Bryce Morgan - 11 - ELD - 4A
3. Jase Stone - 11 - MH - 6A
4. Adam Cole - 9 - CH - 4A
5. Sean DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
6. Tristan Star - 9 - LAW - 6A
7. Dakota Leach - 11 - GD - 5A
8. Parker Howell - 10 - KMC - 5A
9. Luke Henes - 10 - STA - 5A
10. Josh Goepfert - 11 - MRV - 321A

113:
1. Zac Gentzler - 11 - AC - 5A
2. Jason Perez - 12 - ULY - 4A
3. Anthony Calderon - 12 - GC - 6A
4. Tyler Mies - 10 - AN - 4A
5. Kevin Perez - 11 - JC - 6A
6. Jr. Morgan - 11 - AB - 4A
7. Hunter Price - 11 - HOL - 4A
8. Alex Garcia - 12 - DC - 6A
9. John Risewick - 11 - NOR - 321A
10. Reese Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A

120:
1. Javier Vieyra - 12 - SS - 5A
2. Isaac Dulgarian - 9 - STA - 5A
3. Dustin Reed - 11 - CLB - 4A
4. Chris Burley - 11 - GB - 5A
5. Quinton Harrison - 11 - NEW - 5A
6. Ty Kolterman - 12 - CC - 4A
7. Zak Hensley - 9 - SJA - 4A
8. Corey Spader - 11 - SPH - 4A
9. Brad Hake - 12 - CON - 4A
10. Kevin Arnhold - 12 - HAY - 5A

126:
1. Michael Olsen - 10 - LS - 5A
2. Austin Hood - 12 - LOU - 4A
3. Dylan Schumacher - 12 - TMP - 321A
4. Colby Watters - 12 - ARK - 5A
5. Tim Prescott - 12 - MCP - 4A
6. Bryce Shoemaker - 11 - BAL - 4A
7. Hunter Haralson - 11 - LAW - 6A
8. Lukas Maki - 11 - KMC - 5A
9. Alex Wolf - 12 - SV - 4A
10. Taelor Mendenhall - 12 - CON - 4A

132:
1. Bo Pursel - 12 - LS - 5A
2. TJ Stokes - 12 - GE - 6A
3. Brogan Humphrey - 10 - FRE - 321A
4. Cody Eastman - 11 - ARK - 5A
5. Clay Mulligan - 12 - SC - 321A
6. Ben Randolph - 12 - SME - 6A
7. Austin Hughey - 11 - ELD - 4A
8. Andrew Morgan - 12 - BAL - 4A
9. Shane Goetz - 12 - HUT - 6A
10. Luke Lee - 12 - AC - 5A

138:
1. Konnor Kriss - 12 - CLB - 4A
2. Miles Johns - 12 - NEW - 5A
3. Brandon Charbonneau - 12 - EMP - 5A
4. Tommy Williams - 12 - STA - 5A
5. Reis Humphrey - 11 - SMS - 6A
6. Brady Heincker - 12 - DB - 6A
7. Andrew Millsap - 10 - JC - 6A
8. Wyatt Villers - 11 - ARK - 5A
9. Jake Gehring - 11 - BUH - 4A
10. Jared Fiscus - 11 - CH - 4A

145:
1. Tagen Lambotte - 10 - ROS - 321A
2. Jonathan Blackwell - 11 - BS - 4A
3. Aaron Seybold - 12 - PT - 4A
4. Dustin Williams - 10 - GE - 6A
5. Calvin Ochs - 11 - HOX - 321A
6. Chase Locke - 12 - MZ - 6A
7. Lincoln Lemon - 12 - GD - 5A
8. Ben Becker - 12 - DB - 6A
9. Alex Thibault - 11 - HAL - 321A
10. Patrick Weaver - 11 - HUG - 4A

152:
1. Connor Middleton - 12 - ONW - 6A
2. Alex Bontz - 12 - AC - 5A
3. Trey Dice - 12 - ARK - 5A
4. Rusty Yarrow - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Ky Biddle - 12 - CB - 321A
6. Mark Hobson - 12 - BS - 4A
7. Andrew Denning - 11 - LAW - 6A
8. Dalton Snyder - 12 - HOX - 321A
9. Trevor Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
10. Mark Smith - 12 - ROS - 321A

160:
1. Sam Son - 12 - CH - 4A
2. Colton Duhr - 12 - AN - 4A
3. Tyler McMichael - 12 - ARK - 5A
4. Gavin Grater - 10 - CC - 4A
5. Rory Haug - 12 - ON - 6A
6. Jacob Eggers - 12 - DC - 6A
7. Bryant Guillen - 11 - SEA - 5A
8. Aaron Puckett - 11 - BS - 4A
9. Blake Hill - 12 - SME - 6A
10. Jon Heiman - 12 - GC

170:
1. Matt Reed - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Blaine Hill - 12 - SME - 6A
3. Levi Eck - 11 - AN - 4A
4. Preston Wiegel - 10 - HAY - 5A
5. Kane Kelly - 12 - AB - 4A
6. Brent Koehn - 12 - PT - 4A
7. Tyler Willis - 12 - SH - 5A
8. Jake Bradley - 11 - PV - 4A
9. Jesse LeMay - 12 - WEL - 321A
10. Brian Wood - 12 - MH - 6A

182:
1. Reece Wright-Conklin - 12 - LAW - 6A
2. Brock Long - 12 - SES - 321A
3. Spencer Wilson - 11 - LFS - 6A
4. Tyler Lowe - 12 - EUR - 321A
5. Tyler Higgins - 12 - IKE - 5A
6. Hunter Weddington - 12 - AND - 5A
7. Nick Meck - 11 - SH - 5A
8. Hugh McConnell - 12 - NEW - 5A
9. Trey Campbell - 12 - MH - 6A
10. Tyler Henness - 12 - PAO - 4A

195:
1. Shawn Marlatt - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Ulyesses DeShazer - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Colt Castlebury - 12 - DOU - 321A
4. Darien Willis - 12 - SUM - 4A
5. Ty Suggs - 12 - MH - 6A
6. Alex Stockton - 12 - GE - 6A
7. Litton VanDerWerff - 12 - LS - 5A
8. Dillon Archer - 11 - NEW - 5A
9. Brady Munsch - 12 - SS - 5A
10. Nate Stanley - 11 - SEA - 5A

220:
1. Luke Bean - 12 - KMC - 5A
2. Nathan Butler - 11 - LV - 6A
3. Colten Lissolo - 12 - HUG - 4A
4. Cash Drylie - 12 - HAY - 5A
5. Edward Fitzgerald - 12 - SFT - 4A
6. Jordan Brown - 12 - CON - 4A
7. Tyler Keller - 12 - WNW - 6A
8. Brad Wilson - 12 - LAW - 6A
9. Myron Tipton - 12 - OE - 6A
10. Riley Oharah - 12 - GDL - 321A

285:
1. Will Geary - 11 - TOP - 6A
2. Eric Mason - 12 - STA - 5A
3. Tylor Woodruff - 12 - GD - 5A
4. Luke Hayes - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Clay Wilcox - 11 - CHP - 321A
6. Zach Callahan - 12 - MV - 5A
7. Taylor Krier - 12 - MCP - 4A
8. Broc Bennett - 12 - PT - 4A
9. Jacob English - 12 - BEL - 321A
10. Hayden Chandler - 12 - DS - 4A

Deshazer at 195?!

Deshazer vs. Marlatt might be the best heavier weight match ever. two of the quickest big guys iv ever seen wrestle!

Deshazer went from 112 as a freshman to 195 as a senior. Now that is a growth spurt.