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The Sunflower League whistles will blow at Lawrence High School featuring 3 ranked 6A teams and a very competitive Leavenworth squad.
Olathe North is the team to beat with a likely 5 finalists followed by Leavenworth with a projected 4 champions and SM East with an estimated 3 in the finals.
Spotlight matches:
113 - Wilson LV v Schafer ON 126 - Stovall ON v Hollingsworth SME (Girard LAW and Yetmar OS) 132 - Jorns SME v Griffin SMW/Jongerius SMS 138 - Lynch LAW v Jaso ON/Taylor SMW 145 - Humphrey SMS v Almos SMNW 152 - Mitchell SME v Soukup LFS 170 - Clothier LAW v McKinnis SMNW (Dillard SMW) 182 - Brady SMS v Reuter SME (Sparks OE) 220 - Colver LV/Gatica SMW/Contreras SMN/Psihountas ONW 285 - The Nathan Butler show
*Andrew Denning LAW is taking the ACT. *Nick Haug is out till next week.
Good luck to all of the Sunflower League wrestlers today!
Eric Johnson
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This should be a lot of fun. Good luck to all wrestlers.
Lee Girard
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106 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Doug Newcomb of ONW 2nd Place - Benny Deaton of Olathe South 3rd Place - Xavier Kenney of Lawrence High Lions 4th Place - Quailan Fowler of Free State 5th Place - JoJo Gallo of SM. South 6th Place - Brad Young of Leavenworth 1st Place Match Doug Newcomb (ONW) 25-6, So. over Benny Deaton (Olathe South) 22-16, Jr. (Pin 3:43). 3rd Place Match Xavier Kenney (Lawrence High Lions) 18-14, Jr. over Quailan Fowler (Free State) 11-11, Fr. (Pin 2:56). 5th Place Match JoJo Gallo (SM. South) 6-3, Fr. over Brad Young (Leavenworth) 3-5, Fr. (Maj 12-4).
113 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Daniel Wilson of Leavenworth 2nd Place - Stuart Schafer of Olathe North 3rd Place - Barrett Cooper of SM. East 4th Place - Sid Miller of Free State 5th Place - Quen Barkyoumb of ONW 6th Place - Jared Prough of Olathe East 1st Place Match Daniel Wilson (Leavenworth) 29-9, Jr. over Stuart Schafer (Olathe North) 24-11, So. (Dec 9-5). 3rd Place Match Barrett Cooper (SM. East) 25-13, So. over Sid Miller (Free State) 12-19, Fr. (Pin 3:00). 5th Place Match Quen Barkyoumb (ONW) 9-17, So. over Jared Prough (Olathe East) 2-4, Fr. (Pin 0:40).
120 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Mike Kenny of Olathe North 2nd Place - Brian Morelan of SMNW 3rd Place - Brent Haffey of SM. South 4th Place - Tim Thongone of Lawrence High Lions 5th Place - Chris Rodriguez of SM. East 6th Place - Evan Pardue of ONW 1st Place Match Mike Kenny (Olathe North) 23-9, So. over Brian Morelan (SMNW) 26-14, Fr. (Pin 1:38). 3rd Place Match Brent Haffey (SM. South) 23-17, Sr. over Tim Thongone (Lawrence High Lions) 9-19, Sr. (Dec 8-4). 5th Place Match Chris Rodriguez (SM. East) 11-21, Jr. over Evan Pardue (ONW) 8-21, So. (Dec 6-5).
126 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Grant Hollingsworth of SM. East 2nd Place - Bailey Yetmar of Olathe South 3rd Place - Blake Stovall of Olathe North 4th Place - Garrett Girard of Lawrence High Lions 5th Place - Husayn Sultani of Olathe East 6th Place - Isaiah Myers of Leavenworth 1st Place Match Grant Hollingsworth (SM. East) 29-5, Jr. over Bailey Yetmar (Olathe South) 22-14, Jr. (FF). 3rd Place Match Blake Stovall (Olathe North) 28-8, Fr. over Garrett Girard (Lawrence High Lions) 20-9, Jr. (Maj 10-1). 5th Place Match Husayn Sultani (Olathe East) 30-17, Jr. over Isaiah Myers (Leavenworth) 5-9, Sr. (Pin 2:00).
132 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Chipper Jorns of SM. East 2nd Place - Tanner Griffin of SM. West 3rd Place - Danial Wilson of Leavenworth 4th Place - Grant Jongerius of SM. South 5th Place - Ian Anderson of ONW 6th Place - Maurice Jacobs of Free State 1st Place Match Chipper Jorns (SM. East) 26-8, Sr. over Tanner Griffin (SM. West) 13-3, Sr. (Dec 2-1). 3rd Place Match Danial Wilson (Leavenworth) 22-11, Jr. over Grant Jongerius (SM. South) 23-14, Sr. (Dec 9-7). 5th Place Match Ian Anderson (ONW) 16-15, Sr. over Maurice Jacobs (Free State) 13-15, Jr. (Dec 5-3).
138 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Aaron Taylor of SM. West 2nd Place - Caden Lynch of Lawrence High Lions 3rd Place - Zach Jaso of Olathe North 4th Place - Reed Bowker of SMNW 5th Place - Dakota Reynolds of Olathe East 6th Place - Seth Ortiz of SM. East 1st Place Match Aaron Taylor (SM. West) 24-9, Jr. over Caden Lynch (Lawrence High Lions) 23-9, Sr. (Dec 8-6). 3rd Place Match Zach Jaso (Olathe North) 21-12, Fr. over Reed Bowker (SMNW) 18-17, Sr. (Pin 2:19). 5th Place Match Dakota Reynolds (Olathe East) 20-16, Sr. over Seth Ortiz (SM. East) 10-17, Sr. (Dec 3-0).
145 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Reis Humphrey of SM. South 2nd Place - Colton Almos of SMNW 3rd Place - Swedi Ntakirutimanana of SM. West 4th Place - Colton Steele of Free State 5th Place - James Fackrell of ONW 6th Place - Josh Brown of Olathe North 1st Place Match Reis Humphrey (SM. South) 29-2, . over Colton Almos (SMNW) 34-9, Sr. (Maj 12-3). 3rd Place Match Swedi Ntakirutimanana (SM. West) 25-15, Sr. over Colton Steele (Free State) 22-12, Jr. (Dec 1-0). 5th Place Match James Fackrell (ONW) 25-22, Jr. over Josh Brown (Olathe North) 15-21, Sr. (DQ).
152 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Jack Mitchell of SM. East 2nd Place - Ryan Bellinger of Lawrence High Lions 3rd Place - Ben Soukup of Free State 4th Place - Avery Reynolds of SM. South 5th Place - Andrew Richmond of Olathe North 6th Place - Kerry Hokanson of Olathe East 1st Place Match Jack Mitchell (SM. East) 23-2, Sr. over Ryan Bellinger (Lawrence High Lions) 17-11, Jr. (Maj 8-0). 3rd Place Match Ben Soukup (Free State) 24-12, Sr. over Avery Reynolds (SM. South) 12-10, Jr. (Dec 9-2). 5th Place Match Andrew Richmond (Olathe North) 4-9, Sr. over Kerry Hokanson (Olathe East) 12-16, Sr. (Pin 4:28).
160 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Tyler Moulden of Olathe North 2nd Place - Connor Leach of Olathe East 3rd Place - Gideon Butler-Smith of ONW 4th Place - Sam Skwarlo of Free State 5th Place - Forfeit Forfeit of Unattached 5th Place - Anthony Bendure of SM. West 6th Place - Cesar Salgado of SM. North 1st Place Match Tyler Moulden (Olathe North) 16-11, So. over Connor Leach (Olathe East) 24-21, Jr. (Maj 14-6). 3rd Place Match Gideon Butler-Smith (ONW) 25-20, Sr. over Sam Skwarlo (Free State) 14-20, Fr. (Dec 5-2). 5th Place Match Anthony Bendure (SM. West) 10-5, So. over Cesar Salgado (SM. North) 9-17, Fr. (DQ).
170 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Alan Clothier of Lawrence High Lions 2nd Place - Jordan Dillard of SM. West 3rd Place - Dalton Lewallen of SM. South 4th Place - Laphonso McKinnis of SMNW 5th Place - Peter Gardner of Leavenworth 6th Place - Nick Vidoli of Free State 1st Place Match Alan Clothier (Lawrence High Lions) 35-3, Fr. over Jordan Dillard (SM. West) 19-6, Sr. (Pin 3:37). 3rd Place Match Dalton Lewallen (SM. South) 20-12, So. over Laphonso McKinnis (SMNW) 33-8, Jr. (Pin 4:32). 5th Place Match Peter Gardner (Leavenworth) 14-24, Sr. over Nick Vidoli (Free State) 12-20, Sr. (Dec 5-0).
182 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Rasheed Brady of SM. South 2nd Place - Grant Sparks of Olathe East 3rd Place - Jon Reuter of SM. East 4th Place - Josh Ammel of Leavenworth 5th Place - Kyhiem Matthews of Olathe South 6th Place - Jonathan Pressler of SM. North 1st Place Match Rasheed Brady (SM. South) 29-4, Jr. over Grant Sparks (Olathe East) 31-13, Sr. (Dec 4-1). 3rd Place Match Jon Reuter (SM. East) 18-5, Sr. over Josh Ammel (Leavenworth) 8-6, Sr. (Pin 1:49). 5th Place Match Kyhiem Matthews (Olathe South) 7-5, Fr. over Jonathan Pressler (SM. North) 4-10, So. (DQ).
195 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Mario Galvan of SMNW 2nd Place - Kenneth Sculley of Leavenworth 3rd Place - Jadon McGaha of Olathe North 4th Place - Matt Loy of Olathe South 5th Place - Brad Thomas of SM. East 1st Place Match Mario Galvan (SMNW) 29-5, Jr. over Kenneth Sculley (Leavenworth) 17-9, Sr. (Pin 5:20). 3rd Place Match Jadon McGaha (Olathe North) 15-16, So. over Matt Loy (Olathe South) 19-16, Jr. (Dec 3-2). 5th Place Match Brad Thomas (SM. East) 11-14, Sr. over () , . (Bye).
220 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Ramiro Gatica of SM. West 2nd Place - Jesse Colver of Leavenworth 3rd Place - Marco Psihountas of ONW 4th Place - Brett Cockerham of Olathe North 5th Place - Kevin Easterwood of Olathe East 6th Place - Will Amrein of SM. East 1st Place Match Ramiro Gatica (SM. West) 24-4, Sr. over Jesse Colver (Leavenworth) 29-5, Sr. (Dec 10-4). 3rd Place Match Marco Psihountas (ONW) 29-16, Sr. over Brett Cockerham (Olathe North) 16-16, Sr. (Pin 0:00). 5th Place Match Kevin Easterwood (Olathe East) 15-13, Fr. over Will Amrein (SM. East) 11-11, So. (Dec 7-1).
285 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Nathan Butler of Leavenworth 2nd Place - Dakota Cohu of Olathe North 3rd Place - Alex Jones of Lawrence High Lions 4th Place - Sterling Ozark of Free State 5th Place - Demitrius Berry of SM. South 6th Place - Dominique Atkinson of SM. East 1st Place Match Nathan Butler (Leavenworth) 39-0, Sr. over Dakota Cohu (Olathe North) 31-11, Sr. (Pin 0:00). 3rd Place Match Alex Jones (Lawrence High Lions) 32-12, Jr. over Sterling Ozark (Free State) 14-10, Jr. (Pin 0:00). 5th Place Match Demitrius Berry (SM. South) 12-8, Jr. over Dominique Atkinson (SM. East) 10-5, Jr. (Pin 3:35).
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Re: Sunflower
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02/09/13 11:34 PM
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Team Scores 1. Olathe North 203.5 2. Leavenworth 175.0 3. SM. East 174.0 4. SM. South 151.0 5. Lawrence High Lions 149.0 6. SM. West 127.0 7. ONW 116.5 8. SMNW 110.0 9. Free State 106.0 10. Olathe East 98.0 11. Olathe South 72.0 12. SM. North 1.0
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Re: Sunflower
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02/12/13 02:02 AM
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126 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Grant Hollingsworth of SM. East 2nd Place - Bailey Yetmar of Olathe South 3rd Place - Blake Stovall of Olathe North 4th Place - Garrett Girard of Lawrence High Lions 5th Place - Husayn Sultani of Olathe East 6th Place - Isaiah Myers of Leavenworth 1st Place Match Grant Hollingsworth (SM. East) 29-5, Jr. over Bailey Yetmar (Olathe South) 22-14, Jr. (FF).
How does Stovall wrestle for third when he was DQ just asking? Well I guess what ever it takes.
3rd Place Match Blake Stovall (Olathe North) 28-8, Fr. over Garrett Girard (Lawrence High Lions) 20-9, Jr. (Maj 10-1). 5th Place Match Husayn Sultani (Olathe East) 30-17, Jr. over Isaiah Myers (Leavenworth) 5-9, Sr. (Pin 2:00).
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Re: Sunflower
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02/12/13 02:05 AM
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126 Results Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Grant Hollingsworth of SM. East 2nd Place - Bailey Yetmar of Olathe South 3rd Place - Blake Stovall of Olathe North 4th Place - Garrett Girard of Lawrence High Lions 5th Place - Husayn Sultani of Olathe East 6th Place - Isaiah Myers of Leavenworth 1st Place Match Grant Hollingsworth (SM. East) 29-5, Jr. over Bailey Yetmar (Olathe South) 22-14, Jr. (FF).
How does Stovall wrestle for third when he was DQ just asking? Well I guess what ever it takes.
3rd Place Match Blake Stovall (Olathe North) 28-8, Fr. over Garrett Girard (Lawrence High Lions) 20-9, Jr. (Maj 10-1). 5th Place Match Husayn Sultani (Olathe East) 30-17, Jr. over Isaiah Myers (Leavenworth) 5-9, Sr. (Pin 2:00). He was called for a slam in his semi vs. Yetmar. Yetmar was unable to continue, so Stovall lost that match. He was not DQ'd from the tournament.
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Re: Sunflower
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02/12/13 03:30 AM
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He was called for a slam in his semi vs. Yetmar. Yetmar was unable to continue, so Stovall lost that match. He was not DQ'd from the tournament. The official made the correct call. That was the hardest slam that I have seen for a long time, maybe ever. I have seen plenty of guys hit the mat with a lot of force, but this one was different. Yetmar had no chance to cushion the blow as he was coming down backwards and the impact was directly from the back of his head to the top of his shoulders. I hope that he is well and will be able to wrestle this weekend. Bailey has earned my respect because as he has improved so much since his freshman year and when I have seen him prepare he is focused and determined. It would be a shame if this match cost him an opportunity to return to the State Tournament and compete for a medal.
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Re: Sunflower
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02/12/13 09:51 AM
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It was the correct call. It appeared to have been blatant. Mike Chandler
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Re: Sunflower
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02/12/13 07:35 PM
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Mr. Chandler---First, let me say my family is very thankful Yetmar is ok and hope he is able to compete the rest of this season. I meant no disrespet with my outburst at the meet--it was directed at that ref and ref only. You have no grounds to make that "blatant" statement. Have you reviewed the tape?? I have and shown it to several coaches (3 high school-not our coaches by the way and 2 college coaches)all agreeded--although rough--not illegal. Do you know we did the same lift and return twice in this match-neither time anything called?? We've done this lift/return in 10 differnet states over the years and this first hs season--never called. You call it "blatant"in a match we were dominating and winning 7-2 (the 2 being cuts) in the third? We are going blow a chance at a league title with a "blatant" move? We did not leave feet-nor was it over the shoulder. It was a lift/return and unfortunately landed badly. I watched Ohio State-Michagn yesterday and counted 17 exact lift/returns--none called. Same move-one arm on waist-other under leg. Again we are thankful Yetmar ok, it is a rough tough sport and in heat battle things happen can't control everything.
For you to say it blatant or we needed an illegal move--then you don't know us as people or him as a wrestler. On latter half--suggest you do some trackwrestling research if you think we have to resort to such tatctics. I know work,sacrifices and time he spent training. We have no need for "blatant" or illegal moves. Any time you want to discuss in person-name time/place---here my number 913-620-4820
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Re: Sunflower
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02/12/13 11:16 PM
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I am ecstatic to hear I am wrong. All I can state is what I saw. Regsrdless of the score I saw what appeared to be a slam. I also did not see remorse afterwards. Again I am glad my observation was inaccurate in this case. I love intense wrestling but never wish injury on anyone. As far as any kind of confrontational pissing match over someone's opinion, as it would appear you are eluding to, that comment tends to hold it's own merit. God bless
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Re: Sunflower
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02/12/13 11:27 PM
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I would have to see the tape in slow-mo. What I saw from close range appeared to be a pretty rough slam. I guess that the tape can be posted and let all the slow-mo experts express their opinion. From the live action, I don't see how the ref couldn't have called it. By the way, I know that wrestling is not a nice sport. I just never understood when a wrestler is dominating a match why they wouldn't take another avenue to take the opposing wrestler back down to the mat without leaving it to the official whether or not it was a legal move.
Lee Girard
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Re: Sunflower
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02/13/13 01:26 AM
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I can tell the events saturday have stirred emotions. As Blakes coach I'd like to just add this to the conversation. Blake is a good kid that loves the sport of wrestling. He approaches the sport with 100 percent commitment. He would not intentionally try to hurt his oppenent. He will however, get after it for 6 minutes which is excatly what I coach my kids to do. The slam was hard but wasnt blatant as some have directed. I teach that same lift and return in practice to all my wrestlers, its the best one you can teach.
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Re: Sunflower
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02/13/13 04:03 AM
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"It was a lift/return and unfortunately landed badly."
While this quote pretty much sums it up, the video would be a good way for an informed view.
Remember - "slam" is really a misnomer...there is no "slamming" required. The rule says you have to bring your opponent to the mat without unnecessary force. The case book has an example where you accidentally drop your opponent and that's a "slam" because you have to bring your opponent to the mat under control and protect him. Its just an unnecessary roughness call but because we call it a "slam" it sounds like it is supposed be a big whack or something really out of the ordinary. It probably doesn't get called enough. Unfortunately, when it ends in an injury it costs the offender the match. There's rarely a "bad motive" and usually it is just what happened here...the lift ends badly...for whatever reason. And most of the time the injured wrestler is able to continue so its just a point.
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Re: Sunflower
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As a coach who was matside and in front row view of the event I would like to add what I saw. I had a wrestler who was on deck so I had a pretty good view of the events as I was standing right next to the mat. In my 20 years of kids, high school, collegiate, and coaching in wrestling I have seen that lift and return hundreds of times. It was a legal attempt to return an opponent without any intent to harm Yetmar. However, I did agree with the refs call on an illegal slam because of the way Yetmar landed. I viewed it as an unfortunate and unintentional accident. Accidents happen in aggressive combat sports - I was never an overly aggressive wrestler (don't tell my kids that ha!) in my career and was called for illegal slams that were accidents.
As a wrestler you practice a move hundreds of times over the year with your teammates. Every coach teaches to be mentally tough and work through an entire match (especially at the end of the season)- to not let up, and to be aggressive on returns just like an other wrestling position. When working technique you develop a certain flow and expectation in which wrestlers will move when in action. However, anything can happen in a match and when wrestling different styles sometimes a wrestler zigs when you thought he was going to zag. It looked like when fighting to compete hard in a match Bailey kept scrambling and turned a way Blake didn't expect on the return.
I do think the ref had to call it illegal because of the way Bailey landed - that was my initial reaction. Hopefully Bailey is ok and healthy as it has been fun to watch him grow as a wrestler over the past three years.
The good news for Blake is that he a talented freshman and that happened at Sunflower League and not state. Also unfortunate for the rest of the Sunflower League is that Olathe North has some extremely talented and tough young wrestlers:(
Jay Johnston Head Girls Wrestling Coach Basehor-Linwood
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Re: Sunflower
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This is a good topic to talk about. To my understanding, Blake was using a simple lift and return like you see every weekend over 100 times. Bailey was trying to grandby out as he landed, which can be very effective when used correctly. What do you do as a ref? The bottom wrestler put himself in the position to get hurt while the top wrestler was simply trying to take his opponent down with control. Was it the right call on Blake? Just because it looked bad doesn't mean it was blatant or intentional. How can you punish a wrestler who has no control over what his opponent is going to do?
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Re: Sunflower
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02/13/13 03:40 PM
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If you can't return your opponent safely, then don't lift him in the first place. There is no wiggle room in the rule. It is NOT the responsibility of the defensive wrestler to return safely to the mat.
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Re: Sunflower
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02/13/13 03:53 PM
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Please explain to me how to return a kid safely to the mat when he hits a grandby in mid air.
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Re: Sunflower
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02/13/13 03:55 PM
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If you can't return your opponent safely, then don't lift him in the first place. There is no wiggle room in the rule. It is NOT the responsibility of the defensive wrestler to return safely to the mat. I respectfully disagree. It states in the rule book that if a wrestler's actions make an otherwise legal move into an illegal move (paraphrasing) then there will not be a penalty. The defensive wrestler has a responsibility as well.
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Re: Sunflower
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02/13/13 04:28 PM
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Can somebody please post the video of this so we can all make an informed opinion. Some moves look very dramatic in person and look pretty vanilla on youtube. I've seen slams that don't hurt the wrestler at all and are not called and non-slams where the wrestler on bottom screams bloody murder and a slam is called. I apologize if this has already been posted but I don't see it. Show us the video and we can decide for ourselves. Please don't make this into a needless thread if most of us have not even even what happened.
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