 What is a Novice?
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What would you say constitutes a "Novice" wrestler? Is it years in the sport? (If so, how many before no longer a novice?) Is it skill level of the wrestler? (how many 1st places, or wins vs. loss?) There are lots of wrestlers going into their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year who are pretty good, record wise, (maybe not a lot of competition at their age/weight) but still have only a couple moves in their arsenal and aren't very advanced. What's your take on it?
Who decides if a wrestler should be allowed in a novice tournament?
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Re: What is a Novice?
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11/15/19 03:33 PM
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I think the rule of thumb is 2 years or less and they can wrestle novice. Anything over 2 and they need to go to open. That's also the most straight forward and uncomplicated way to approach it. That being said, I have a few kids each year making the transition that don't have any business wrestling open yet and unfortunately, more often than not they will drop out. Many times, I will just encourage those wrestlers (and parents) to practice only and stick with the sport, with the hope that they will eventually mature physically and athletically in a way to match their peers.
Brett Hutchinson
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Re: What is a Novice?
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Jeffrey Eaton
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That makes for a good rule of thumb, and I was thinking along those lines. I wish there was a hard and fast rule put in place at "Novice" tournaments to curb abuse from "Medal Seekers" rather than "Competition Seekers". I guess its an ethics thing for me. It's unethical to go out hunting easy medals and utterly destroying newbies. This discourages the new wrestlers from pursuing the sport. As I tell my son and others, "You're not the best unless you beat the best."
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Re: What is a Novice?
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11/25/19 02:04 PM
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yelsew
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It would be nice to have a grading system for the kids. Some are well advanced many are not
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Re: What is a Novice?
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11/25/19 09:08 PM
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I try to stick to the 2 year rule, but I also have allowed parents to extend into the third year.
That may take some heat instead of having a kid just practice majority of the year a leading to them quitting.
This a very rare case and obviously the exception not the rule. Several things help me come to the decision.
What was activity and tournaments entered in the first and second year. What is their true skill level not the parent’s implied skill level.
I think if we can pass the red faced test with our hand on a bible that our action is out of best interest for the wrestler (not in a trophy hunting perspective). I think it is acceptable for a third year kid to enter a novice.
The case I spoke of was last year and in every tournament he battled for a third or fourth place finish in a couple of novice tournaments. Had his first win ever in three years of wrestling.
Now with that being said I had seen plenty the other way....that shouldn’t be in novice. My thought Is you win 2 tournaments in Novice time to go open.
If it is managed correctly it can be a positive thing, problem is most don’t.
Tracy Peterson
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Re: What is a Novice?
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11/25/19 10:27 PM
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Jeffrey Eaton
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I try to stick to the 2 year rule, but I also have allowed parents to extend into the third year.
That may take some heat instead of having a kid just practice majority of the year a leading to them quitting.
This a very rare case and obviously the exception not the rule. Several things help me come to the decision.
What was activity and tournaments entered in the first and second year. What is their true skill level not the parent’s implied skill level.
I think if we can pass the red faced test with our hand on a bible that our action is out of best interest for the wrestler (not in a trophy hunting perspective). I think it is acceptable for a third year kid to enter a novice.
The case I spoke of was last year and in every tournament he battled for a third or fourth place finish in a couple of novice tournaments. Had his first win ever in three years of wrestling.
Now with that being said I had seen plenty the other way....that shouldn’t be in novice. My thought Is you win 2 tournaments in Novice time to go open.
If it is managed correctly it can be a positive thing, problem is most don’t. I think this is what I have been feeling as well. Very well put.
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