15% losing records @ the State tourney. This is one of their arguments. " We just have better competition and a lot of the 4a teams wrestle a bunch of fish. If we wrestled 4a competition all the time you would see great records also." Well, maybe this is the year to prove it a lot of 654321a's teams have battled on the same mats this year, I wonder what the records will show?

who cares. if you can't place any any regional then you probably wouldn't place at state. most 6A teams don't or shouldn't use SQ as a seeding advantage anymore. as for whose is better 4a, 3a 5678a, blah blah...everyone has great individuals and everyone beats each other up. it's great to see mixes during the year in tourn all around the state. i know that we changed our schedule to include derby, fort scott and lincoln, nebraska to get out of the primarily 6a tourn. like olathe north and schlagle/wyandotte(used to be 6a). yes, 15% losing records at state is not what people want, but it's the way it is based on 6a teams going other places and getting beat or the region they live in.

i have seen plenty of "fish" at all levels.

maybe it's because most 6A teams grow up playing other sports more popular to their area than wrestling.

i know most of the KC area kids sports are basketball, football, soccer and baseball. Wrestling, unfortunatly is not a high priority unless a father wrestled.

There just isn't as many dominating wrestlers in 6A as there are in the lower classes.

i think vikes is right on this one.

it just depends where your from really..

if you come from a town where you dominated in basketball most likely the athletes are going to grow up to play basketball, i dont know why in your right mind you want to play basketball but thats there decisions.

I think that if there is less than 5 or less people in a bracket then round robin needs to be done...this is for all levels 6 and up go with a standard bracket (for all tournaments...not just 6a, 5a or whatever, if you have a low turnout at a weight....learn to round robin for the sake of competition.)

The reason 6a and 5a have 3 to 4 kids that have losing records at state is because of the 8 man regional brackets and lets face it most of the brackets are only 7 or 6 man and in some sad occasions a 5 man bracket. Thats why 5 and 6a see so many so called non deserving wrestlers make it to state. Come to a 4a regional with that 3-6 record and see how far that gets you in a 15-16 man bracket. I'm not saying the state tournaments in 5a and 6a aren't tough but half of your reional brackets are jokes.

I agree with the comment about our regionals being a joke with only 5 guys in it. But we do get some good wrestling in and yes there are the full brackets.If you look at the regional held at Bonner Springs you will see how some kids with losing records will make it to the state tournament. Half the teams there only have 5 wrestlers total.

All i have to say is if you think our 6A state qualifiers are jokes and our wrestling isn't as sound, then look at the most successful D1 college wrestlers right now.

- Scott Colemen(Manhattan, Iowa State): D1 national qualifer at 285lbs.
- Joe Johnston(SME, Iowa): Ranked in the 8th in the nation at 157lbs. Last yr pinned the defending national champion! D1 national qualifier.
- Zach Roberson(BVNW, Iowa State): Beaten too many all-americans to count. Midlands Champion. 2x All-American. 3x D1 national qualifier. Ranked in the top 3 in the nation at 133lbs.

They are all 6A wrestlers that went through "crappy" 6A regionals.

3 wrestlers is all you could come up with? I laugh at that, I could list a whole bunch of college wrestlers coming out of 4 & 321A but it would take an an entire page and its not worth the effort.

rocknraider:

You forgot about Tanner Gardner, Ian Bork, Josh Carroll, Justin Dyer, the McCormick brothers, and Jeremiah Beltran.

I Don't think anyone in here has said 6a & 5a is a joke when you get down to the top 6 wrestlers. We are saying the State bracket as a whole in 5a and 6a is no comparison to what 4321a is. A lot of 6a and 5a teams base there entire seasons on how many they took to state when 4a wrestlers that could have won a couple of matches have to sit at home and listen to their bullcrap.

Nigel, if you can make a list of good 4A and 321A wrestlers that are successful at the D1 level, go ahead and do it.......

it all depends on the size of the schools. lets say that we take the top 16 schools and put them in 6A and the next 16 and put them in 5A and so on, this arguement would be the opposite, becasue then you would have 8 man brackets in 4a and 321a.

it's going to be an argument for ages. as far as being tougher... of course it's tougher to be top 4 in 16 team brackets. no arguement there, but that really has no bering on the state placers.

look at what it takes to qualify for state in MO.

and like i said before, most coaches don't try to get kids seeded anymore just because they are a SQ. at least they shouldn't.

Again Nigel, quit sippin'.

P.S. This doesn't have anything to do with anything really, but I've been curious for a long time, what is your avatar?

shawn bunch was also a National championship qualifier last year.

Nigel, we are still waiting for that list.

here are some more 5-6A since we are on this subject....

Dusty Spaulding-Nebraska
Stewart Bogart-Oregon
Gabe Conaghan-Missouri
Bo Maynes-Oklahoma All American
Zack Allen-West Virginia
Jacob Klein-Nebraska
Joel Tapler-Oklahoma

As I said in my last post, College wrestlers not D1 wrestlers. But give me some time and I'll think about putting that list together for you.

Now as for the Avatar, that is the logo of Abilene High School

Thank you.