statebound08, you have to go to NW!! Noone else would make that statement. :p

nawwww...

Goddard ..

BUT good guys...

(my cousin goes there hehehehehe)

Good guess* ...sorry

5a has never been as tough as 6a, anyone who knows anything about wrestling knows that

I would have to agree, then again I would have say the toughest tournament in the state of kansas is the Russell Invitational just because Boach Clack attends it!

Not true Boach Clack,
In 2000, Goddard beat Emporia three times throughout the year. Emporia won 6A while Goddard had to settle for 2nd in 5A behind Ark City. Two years ago, Carroll won Newton besting the 6A powers Manhattan, Hutch, Derby, Maize, etc. but had to settle for 2nd in 5A to Turner. Perhaps a time ago, your statement would be true, but certainly not in the last 5-10 years. And with Aquinas in 5A now there is no question that 5A is the toughest.

In the tournament that Carrol beat Manhattan, Manhattan had more wins and won both head to head matchups in the finals. Also, earlier in the year, Manhattan defeated Turner and won more of the head to head match ups there as well. I would say that 6a reigned supreme in both of those cases. Plus Manhattan would have won in duals with both of them, obviously.

Manhattan may have beaten Turner, but they never reigned supreme over Carroll and you cannot say they would have beaten them in a dual. The bottom line is that Carroll beat Manhattan. But since A beat B and B beat C and C beat A, I will have to push that one. We know one thing for sure and that is that Carroll beat Manhattan at Newton like the last 4 years in a row and also Clay Center the 4A champ and last year Turner beat Aquinas the 6A champ at the Bobcat but had to settle for 2nd to Carroll in 5A. The main point is that the days of 5A being the weak little brother are long gone so get over it.

Too bad Manhattan placed 1st my junior year and 2nd my senior year when we won more matches including more head to head matches with Carrol. I would say that winning more head to head matches means we would have won because in case you didn't notice, that's what a dual is.

Find a lineup of Bishop Carrol from 03-04 and go through the list. We would have won at many, many weights and also, they're star wrestler, was defeated by myself. I would say that it wouldn't have really been that close.

hey mike church sr. untill your team does something dont talk bout how bad teams are gonna be. next wsewc what ur sayin is true but look at the bracket manhattan placed higher in almost every weight, manhattan won more matches, and the only difference is falls

I believe he was just being friendly and joking around. There is no need to take a personal attack on Mr. Church.

Didn't a good chunk of 6a transfer down to 5a? Campus moved up to 6a after graduating the Trio of Terror.

If by good chunk you mean like, 2 schools. I think what kansaswrestler means is that Manhattan's accomplishments in the last 4-5 years are rivaled by very few and to say that we couldn't beat someone that we have beaten quite recently is a little messed up. Plus we all know that other than BC, there aren't any Wichita teams that have been good in years.

For the most part.

Why do you have to turn it in to a Wichita thing
Billy Mac, that was a punk thing to do. It is not about that at all. First somebody brings up how tough 5A was going to be especially with the addition of Aquinas and Emporia. Then somebody wants to make a smack comment about 5A. I brought up Goddard who was in 5A 5 years ago, Carroll and then Turner as just a FEW examples of the toughness of 5A. Then you have to go into this whole BC vs. Manhattan thing and that is not what it was about. Now you are going to turn it into a Wichita sucks thing and that was a punk thing to do and was wrong. First of all, West who is in 5A now won your precious 6A title in 99. South was third in 2000 in 6A and is always near the top of 6A. Heights was near the top in 2003 or 2004. I am sure there are more examples but I cannot remember them all. Kapaun was third in 5A in 2000 behind Ark City and Goddard. Also I can remember a couple of years ago when one of your Manhappiness stars was bested in the finals at state by some pitiful kid from East High. Last year Northwest was 6th in 6A and South was close to the top, so I do not know where all of this Wichita crap is coming from but I can guarantee you that NW will be real high this year and South will be near the top again. I could see three Wichita teams in the top ten of 6A this year. No one was ever disrespecting Manhattan so you need to get off that crap. Everybody respects Manhattan so you do not have to worry about that.

I got it. Instead of the east/west classic. Let the 4 state champion teams dual it out. Then there would be no question of bragging rights for a year. Well at least a month or two.

Nick Flynn

That is currently what they're trying to do. If the #1 guy cannot make it then the #2 guy is invited I believe is how it is setup.

Alex

Alex,

What I would like to see is the whole state champion team compete against each other, not individual champs. For example, the State Champ team from 6a against the state champ team from 1-3a. 4a -vs - 5a. Round robin the duals, and the winner is the "grand" state champion team.

Nick

kansaswrestler2_103, What team are you talking about? I support several teams. I personally think Bishopp Carroll would spank Manhappylalaland in a duel but thats just my opinion so don't take it personal. I agree with WSEWC on the Wichita thing and can't wait to see you at Newton. Wichita has great highschool wrestling so go ahead and overlook us. We thrive on it.