why do refs call stalling when your not stalling?

Always remember: You might not THINK you're stalling, but if it looks like it, a GOOD official will call it.

what would you do if a guy who weighed about 203lbs was wrestling 275, and during one of his matches the ref called stalling on him. He was the bottom guy and the guy on top weighed closer to 275. The bottom guy was trying to gt up and the heave weight guy was just laying on him. owuld you call stalling on the bottom guy who was trying hi hardest to get up or call it on the top guy who was dooing nothing but laying on the bottm guy. A ref made the mistake of calling stalling on the bottom guy.when the top guy was the onestalling and it cost the botom guy the match and he didn't place at the tournament.

Tell the kid who lost to wrestle 215!

It would have to depend on the top guy. If he isn't coming out to the side and applying perpendicular pressure then it's stalling on the top guy, but if he is but he's not turning but he's attempting to turn the bottum guy then it's stalling on the bottum wrestler.

The top guy was just laying htere while the bottom guy was trying to move. Ad Don't tell the bottom guy to wrestle 215 we had an awesome 215er who weighed liek 183 and was wrestling up!!! Tell the top guy to work and not lay there andd do nothig!!!!

Stalling calls at the heavier weights are sometimes ridiculous. I've seen refs call double stalling 15 seconds into a heavy weight match. A kid told me the ref told them they had to SHOOT or he would call stalling.....how ridiculous, the ref dictating the moves you must do. Working for a throw is still going for a takedown.
I think thes refs need to be educated on heavier kids wrestling and what is stalling and what is not.

Wrestling is wrestling. The successful big kids at the national level (both high school and college) shoot singles, high crotches and (believe it or not) doubles. Watch the NCAAs when they're on TV in a couple of weeks. It's not a throw festival and the guys who try to do nothing but that at that level get their brains kicked in.
I was at last year's NCAAs and saw (including the heavyweights) a grand total of about seven throws out of about 400 matches. Four of them didn't work or were countered, two were counters to other moves and the other one was just dumb luck.
Referees aren't the problem in this case (although an official shouldn't be making tactical suggestions). Officials shouldn't have to learn "heavier guys' wrestling;" heavier guys should learn better wrestling.

True at the next levels their are less throws, however we are talking this level and I would like to see more shooting. But the referee should not dictate what shots or thrpows to make.
Heavier guys should learn to shoot more but that is their decision and if they don't they probably will not progress to the next level.
Referee's should understand a throw is still a takedown, It might not be my choice or your's or the referee but we are not the one doing the wrestling.

A wrestler (big or small) should not be called for stalling just because he does not shoot. He should be called for stalling when he does not make legitimate offensive scoring attempts. And perhaps from the neutral position a wrestler's primary scoring attempts does not include many leg attacks, that is okay. Maybe he likes to try to work bodylocks, snapdowns, shrugs, arm drags. . .there are numerous offensive scoring strategies that are not "leg attacks." If a wrestler is truly working to score (not "faking" scoring attempts, but truly working to score), he should not be busted for stalling, from top, bottom, or neutral. Just my thoughts.

My presumptive as a referee was simple: "Is this wrestler trying to score or reach and advantagous position?"

If any wrestler is percieve simply leaning on one another or are locked into perpetual pummeling without advantage then it should be called. The 'grey' area arises when wrestlers who're defensive/reactive in nature are waiting for the other to initiate activity.

Is everyone (anyone) on this site advocating collegiate standards of calling the stall (perhaps even international)? If so then the defensive wrestler in highschool faces a very tough future.

It still remains a judgement call, placed at the feet of the referee. Coaches and tournament directors still retain the ability to pick and choose their referees for their matches and tournaments and pay them for their services. If a referee doesn't meet their percieved standards, they don't have to bring them back. Likewise state and regional competition...coaches and a.d.s are the ones who pick the best of the best. and any criticism after the fact is rather a victimless crime.

If, this strain is really about bad calls, I would like to add that James Annon got cheated out of a chance to wrestle for 3rd at 4A state. He headlocked the kid to his back with about 8 seconds left and the ref somehow said he didn't have control. Norton's newspaper reporter was so pissed, he got kicked out for yelling at the ref.

I was watching that particular match and Annon did get screwed bad. And I remember the official having a smart*** little smirk on his face, like, I know I blew the call but I'm the official and what I say goes. Very poor show of good official proffessionalism.

Kansas officiating has a lot to be desired. After watching the great competition at nationals and seeing the officials there, it really made it look like we have a serious problem with some of the officials in Kansas. Sure, there were questionable calls at nationals, but nothing like what has been posted on this forum, or seen at tournaments, this season. One thing that I really noticed a big difference on was that the officials at nationals moved on the mat and watched the wrestlers. Calls were made quickly and without hesitation. What a pleasant experience it was to see matches called by the officials for the wrestlers efforts on the mat.

You are being pretty tough on some guys that do a job, you would not have the nerve to do. It's real easy to be critial of people. That official probably made 300 calls during that tournament, and your saying he missed 1. Thats not a bad days work. If it was a close call, like you say I would bet that official brought the situation up at his next supervisors meeting and maybe brought a tape of the match with him and there was a good discussion of the situation, and everyone learned something. I quess what I,m saying is that the official has to make the best call he can based on what he saw and do it in an instant. Maybe it was'nt a bad call just a close call the did'nt go your way.