This is the first I have ever heard of this....not sure I agree but that is the rules. My question is this.....

If you win or lose by a coin toss does that count as a match and count on your official record?

If one were to enforce the rules, there is to be NO coin toss.

If you read the interpretation from the case book, there is NO match. Both teams are awarded advancement points for fourth place, and NO team points are awarded for third place.

The case book states "There could be no one for third."

Richard,

Thanks for the answer.

Now, assuming the rules weren't enforced (as seems to be the case in some instances) and they did do a coin toss....does it still count as a match for the individuals or is it just for team points?

The answer to your question may fall under coaches discretion.

Since there was NO match, there should be NO win awarded or loss charged to any wrestler.

Perhaps the coin or disk toss is to determine how the wrestlers stand on the awards podium for pictures!!

If the coin flip is to determine who gets the medal and who is the "winner," then the winner of the flip WINS THE MEDAL, HE DOES NOT WIN THE MATCH.

Awarding third place points where no match can be wrestled is, as has been pointed out, a clear violation of the rules. Therefore, if no coin flip is utilized, both wrestlers would receive third place medals and their teams' fourth place points. This would be a legal solution.

Using criterion to "break the tie" so as to award third place points would be a violation of the rule.

Also, in thinking about Mr. Kuhn's soltuion, could this not lead to an illegal match being wrestled? I say this from the stand point that the time left in a wrestler's day COULD be less than that of a legal match; or, he may run out of minutes in the 3-4 match if he had had to wrestle multiple overtime matches in the day. Not likely, but possible.

In the case of the flip my two kids had only four matches but their opponent had five they flipped for the match and lost. Then when they annouced award winners at each wieght they had to stand on the podium in fourth place which by rule they should have been awarded the third place.

Why should a forfeit as mentioned in the rules count against someone for the 5 matches?

Also why not a split of the 3rd place additional points? If there are ties in a tournament team wise doesn't the score go like the following:

1. Team A 210.5
2. Team B 186.5
2. Team C 186.5
4. Team D 177.0

Using the above scenario they typically go if a team is tied they are both placed at that "higher position" Thus a tie for 3rd should occur in the conso finals for a "5th match" resulting in split points at 3rd!

In the Oberlin Tournament they had three matches won by coin tosses. It was anounced that the toss was only to decide who got the third place medal. The team points were split evenly to both teams.

In the 130# & 145# brackets there were 10 wrestlers. In both, one wrestler had wrestled in 3 matches and one in 5 matches. By the flip of the coin in both cases the one who had only wrestled in 3 matches won the toss.

The 140# bracket was the only bracket that each team (14) had a wrestler. Both wrestlers going for third place had wrestled in 5 matches that day. They wrestled each other in 2nd round of the day. In the coin toss the one that won the third place medal actualy had been beaten by the forth place medalist.

Am I the only person in thinking that in the above scenarios, that they guy that wrestled less matches should be declared the winner as he probably advanced further in the frontside of the bracket and hasn't met the 5 match criteria?

Also if you got beat heads up and are going for the 3rd place medal on the backside of the bracket, I'd say the guy that won heads up gets the 3rd place medal.

In both cases you can avoid the flip and still award the 4th place points in my opinion.

I agree and it is exactly how the rule is set up read part (b)