Justin what was the out come of your match with Sharpe.

It was a 4-2 score in favor of me I got a reversal in the last 5-10 seconds or so.

Pool 2 is completed.

Finished!!

Thank you very much for your effort-- so far that is the best effort I have seen from a host school to post their results and it was very good to be able to track each dual. I wish I had been able to see some of it, maybe next year.

all the small talk about hoxie being so untouchable that must say alot for sft huh, from what i hear hoxie was unbeatable

I think it is apparent Hoxie has several spots on their team that are very vulnerable. They also have a hand full of guys that are as good as ever. I think you will continue to see them excel in tournament competition especially large tournaments.

Well said, fanatic.

This year's version of Hoxie wrestling is showing the loss of five talented seniors from a year ago (five qualifiers and four medal winners) to graduation, plus the absence of Michael Schamberger and Charlie Ochs.

Hoxie's line-up is inexperienced, but improving, at six weights and they are open at another. This certainly creates some vulnerabilty in a dual meet and in a small bracketed tournament. But the other seven weights are packed with state tournament proven talent.

Anyone who has watched Baker, Porsch and Haffner coach knows what kind of improvement these new kids will experience during the course of a season.

Is Hoxie the same powerhouse they were a season ago? No. Few teams will ever experience that level of consistent success throughout an entire 14 person line-up - let alone consistently achieve that record breaking level of success year in and year out.

But Hoxie is a very competitive tournament team right now and, as strange as it will sound to some, the tougher the tournament the more talented Hoxie will appear. Barring injury, they will only get better as the season progresses.

I agree with Les---the fat lady hasn't sung yet. As for SFT-- they really had nothing for Garden City and Scott City after a close win over Hoxie at the colby dual tourney, so they aren't exactly at the top of their game either, and when you look at how Norton controlled Scott City the next week, It begins to be evident that
the "Top Dog" title is pretty elusive. Norton, Columbus and Abeline are undefeated in the 4a and down classes, but Abeline really doesn't count since they have not attended a tough tournament yet this season. Hoxie isn't the power that I thought they would be at this point of the season, and Norton is much stronger than I had thought they would be. two strong months to go-- a LOT can happen. At this point, though, Norton looks to have the top-to bottom lineup strength that Hoxie had last year, and that , combined with their ability to get the extra fall points, is going to make them pretty hard to beat. Too bad they won't be at Bobcat in January-- that would settle a lot.

When teams have comparable levels of parity, sometimes the team that matches up best wins the dual. Or if you are wrestling against a Mitch Beims team, sometimes the team who creates the best match-ups wins the dual ( MAN! is he good at that!)!

Sante Fe Trail and Scott City both matched up well against Hoxie. Bonus points at the bottom and top of the line-up, won fair share of the closely contested weights and/or beat one or two of Hoxie's studs in the process. Both teams wrestled well and earned a win over Hoxie this season. St. Francis also appears to match-up well with Hoxie this year, so that could be a very entrtaining dual.

Hoxie and Norton is a different type of match-up. Norton's strongest weight classes are generally Hoxie's vulnerable weights and vice versa.

But in looking at the paper match-ups and predicting results based on head-to-head meetings and/or common opponents it appears very even. An upset, new line-up arrival or unexpected bonus points could tip the victory one way or the other.

Unfortunately, the two will not meet in a dual this season. So with no dual to look forward to, the next best scenario is the five tournaments they will share this season - Hoxie, Norton, Phillipsburg, Regional and State.

Norton won the Hoxie tournament by wrestling really well with a deep line-up. Norton had five in the finals. Hoxie had nine. Norton had 7 in the consolation finals. Hoxie had 0. Norton placed higher in 5 weight classes (beating Hoxie in one finals match-up). Hoxie placed higher in 8 weight classes. Both team failed to place in the final weight class.

In this tournament one extra fall, tech fall, major decision, 1st round bye or upset could have erased or increased Norton's 1.5 point margin of victory. The addition of an extra quality team to increase the pool of talent in each weight class could also have impacted the final standings. But on that date, Norton showed it was the better team.

It will be interesting to watch the team showdowns in their remaining head-to-head match-ups.

And it will get real interesting when the remaining NW quadrant teams get together for the Norton regionals this year. That will be some team race, as Hoxie, Norton, Atwood, Oberlin, Oakley and St. Francis are the top 6 teams in the 3-2-1A ranks when considering returning team points and they - along with a number of other talented teams - will be headed to Norton in February!

Man, its going to be a fun year! Good luck to all.

Are you trying to imply Norton is even close to being as good as Hoxie was last year?

All this discussion is the exact reason that the duel state concept should be pursued… It would solve a lot of unanswered questions that continually pop up about who has the best team, what class is toughest. It is my understanding that it was almost a done deal but the coaches could not agree on the qualification format. Get it started and worry about how the plan will work latter. Crown the best team in the State formally with a duel tourney. Then part of this thread will be a mute subject.

totally agree. just find a way to get in rolling and worry about the details later. the first yr is supposed to have bugs in it anyways. kansas just needs to get one dual state going and the rest will fall into place.