Effective immediately - Emporia and St Thomas Aquinas are 5A. Any thoughts on how tough 5A is?

I think it will definately be tougher. The returning 6A champs dropping down, and Emporia is usually a top 10 team. Throw in Lansing (a 4A school that bumped up last year and did really well without losing any qualifiers to graduation), KC-Turner, Ark City, and Bishop Carroll. I think the 5A title is up for grabs. I also think it will creat 2 very tough regional tournaments in 5A (1 in Wichita area and one in KC area). 6A, on the other hand, seems like Manhattan just lost 2 serious threats to a run at this year's title.

5A has been very tough for the last ten years and in my opinion will be the toughest class now.

No one is mentioning Paola's drop into the 4A ranks!

Paola is 5A for Sports this year, it is next year for Football were Paola and Pittsburg will be 4A and as of right now that is just for football. You can be 4A in football but yet compete in 5A for the other sports, I know in 96 and 97 Fort Scott was 4A in Football but 5A in all the other sports

Umm... no.

Umm....how do you figure?

Toughest Class In Kansas Topic!

In all honesty, I think that topic does show the overall depth of talent in the State tournament all levels. Agreed the champions of each class are equal basically, as you begin to look more at the placer in quality the depth drops off after 4A, and the qualifiers depth drops off even more, 15 combined for 123&4A as compared to 72 for 5&6A combined. That in itself says A LOT. There's some facts to back my statement, so disprove the facts and I'll agree 100%.

Alex

Alex

I see you had a pretty good record in 4A last year. So, where would you have placed in 5A state last year at 130. Since you had such a good record, and you wrestle 4A.

To be honest I don't think I would have placed, It might have been close for either 5 or 6. I will admit that 5A 130 was tough, but that doesn't mean that every eight class their above or below is equally as tough. I am not afraid to admit I didn't place in either of my 2 trips to the State Championships. I doubt I would have placed in 5A. Do you have a point? I was talking the overall depth of talent not just the 130 bracket.

Alex

ps. If you really want to be taken seriously sign your name, at least show your a man if you call someone out.

That's funny Alex. I'm really not trying to call you out. I just want you to take a look at your own wieght class. My point is that records and numbers don't mean much when it concerns wrestling. To get a true measure of talent in each class look at how well they've done in tournements against each other. Wrestling is still a 1 on 1 sport regardless of what class your in.

Bronco: Have you taken Lampe down yet?? If so, tell him he must be getting old and slow.

Nope not yet, but he did give me 2 shirts, a pair of shorts, and headgear with kneepads today though! Today was the first practice so I haven't gotten my shot yet... I hope I don't either because I don't think I could take him down. Did you teach my secret move to one who I demonstrated on? Take Care and Good Luck this year.

Alex

You did call me out, when you say Alex in the first line of the post it's directed at me and calling me out. I don't mind it honestly and I'll admit again I probably wouldn't have placed in 5A.

Alex

I think 5A 125 and 135 were even tougher than 130 in 05.

This is not meant to take anything away from the goal and value of working hard this season to place and win state. But, remember to be thankful that you live in Kansas where achieving that goal is a real possibility for just about anyone.
I think KSHAA rewards mediocrity for all Kansas sports by giving it 4 classifications. In wrestling, 4 state champs in every weight class is a joke. KS ranks 32nd in population. California has 34 million people and one state champ per weight class. New York, 19 million and one state champ per weight class. KS has about 2.7 million people. KS gives a state champ to every 675,000 residents. If California did that they would have 50 states champs per weight class. So those of you who are worrying about a tough team moving into your classification need to keep it all in perspective. If I were in charge there would be one state champ per weight class and one team champ in KS.

Nice to see your return to idiocracy. If I am not mistaken, there were a few kansas kids that beat california state champions? not bad for a state that has 4 classifications. Not only did they beat them but I believe Curtis Chenoweth a State Runner-up even majored one of them. Perhaps he can elaborate on this some more. A state that lives in mediocracy sure did place VERY well in Senior Nationals, seventh I believe? Some things never change, such as your IQ for starters.

Alex

Once again, Kansas does fairly well on a national level. I have to admit that it is pretty cool to watch one of our small school kids that has never left NW Kansas take a kid from a more well known state to school on the mat. Take a look at a few of the links on this site. Look at the state records link.....a lot of these kids have GRAND DADS that were kicking butt back in the day. The big schools did not win many state championships until the classes finally split. If you don't believe me, take a look. Do some of those names mean anything to some of you younger guys that think tradition goes back 10 years?

Dear Mr. Sensitive,

CA and NY have 15 state champs per year. KS has 60.

Nobody is bashing the hs elite KS wrestlers who compete on a national level and exceed their state's population rankings. This thread was about KSHAA classification changes and how "tough" 5A has become. If all you have to do to get to state is go through one regional and finish in the top 4 out of 8 in 5A and 6A, that's not very tough by comparison.
To equate the KS high school wrestling state tournament with CA or NY is outrageously naive. Do you know how many districts and sectionals and regionals you have to go through to qualify in NY or CA? (BTW, what CA state champ did Chenowith major? Please point me to those results.) Here are some of the 2004 CA state champs and where they are now in wrestling.

Michah Ferguson Cal Poly
Steven Juarez Arizone State
Nathan Morgan Oklahoma State
Lewis Gonazales Bakersfield
Tirapelli-Illinois
Alex Herrera-Bakersfield
Ryan Williams-Missouri, Cal Poly
Jake Varner- Iowa State
Halsey-Cal Poly
Wade Sauer-Fresno State

Now show me how many of the 60 KS 2004 high school state champs are competing at the highest level in college.

Steel sharpens steel and that's why wrestling the best to win your state raises your game and gets you national recognition.

Alex,

\Id`i*oc"ra*cy\, n.; pl. Idiocrasies. [Idio- + Gr. ? a mixture, fr. ? to mix: cf. F. idiocrasie.] Peculiarity of constitution; that temperament, or state of constitution, which is peculiar to a person; idiosyncrasy.

If I understand this everyone's in a state of idiocracy. Thanks for sending me scurrying for my Websters though.