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Re: Bracket Seeding- Changes for 4A State [Re: Coach Alley] #102408 02/19/07 10:07 PM
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The only thing that sucks is that by luck of the draw maybe a 2nd ranked senior wouldn't have the chance to go to nationals cuz he gets beat by the #1 ranked guy. That would be a rough situation.


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Re: Bracket Seeding- Changes for 4A State [Re: Coach Alley] #102677 02/21/07 06:47 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Coach Alley
I have posted on an earlier link the proposal to the KWCA for bracket seeding at the State Tournament. As I mentioned at the meeting with the board , "There will probably be very few changes which need to be made from the KSHSAA formula." Today I just went through the pairings for this years 4A and only found one weight class which would need to be changed using the proposal I submitted. This took me about an hour to go through the 4A brackets and do this. Had I been prepared with a list of all returning State Placers ahead of time, I think it could have been done in 15 minutes.

For those who have not reviewed my earlier proposal, it is not seeding but only seperating the 4 Regional finalist. After that, the usual KSHSAA formula will be followed and all wrestlers will be placed according to thier Regional Champions placement. At the meeting this fall we felt our goal was to seperate these individuals which fit the criteria and provide them an opportunity to meet in the finals instead of the Semi-finals.

Looking at this years 4A I found only 152 was in any real need of an adjustment. Look at the KSHSAA's bracket and compare it to the order I will list below and see if you agree. Normally this would be done with a panel of possibly 3 or 4 individuals instead of just one and I know there will be some or many who disagree with my opinion. But remember, my goal is to seperate those 2 wrestlers who might be returning State Champs or undefeated wrestlers and give them a chance to showcase their talent in the finals and not the semi's.

Here is my revision for 4A 152
Use the States formula but change designations "B" & "C" around.

1B Blake Willmann -- Clayctr
4D Garrett ,mitchell - RoseH

2A Jordan Renfro - FtScott
3C Clint Taylor - Hays TMp

1D Tyler Koehn - Pittsb 3rd @ 135 5A also 34-0 this year
4B Frankie Deal - Concord

2C John Prater - Pratt
3A Clint Holland - Prarview

1A Kyle Hudgins - Spring Hill 6th@140
4C Aaron Deeds - Goodland

2B Aaron Quisenberry - Ward
3D John Hambleton - Labette C

1C Sam Thoman - Andale 4th @ 145
4A Sam Wilson - Baldwin

2D Faron Rodriquez - CFKindley
3B Ryan Carlson - Hiawatha

Reasons for the change:
There were two top 4 placers returning in the top half of the bracket. In our meeting this fall we felt that top 4 placers should be given the most consideration not 5 or 6.
Koehn is the highest returning placer and is undefeated. Seperate him from the other two placers and allow them the opportunity to meet him in the finals.

This is not to say any of the kids on the bracket couldn't be in the finals. All I am trying to do is set the stage for a more exciting finals match with the possiblity of two returning high place wrestlers meeting in the finals.

Tell me what you think. If I get a little time I will look at 3-2-1A and 5A and 6A



I like the idea. 6A/152 needs fixing. Having Cole Johnson, Bonewell, Serbousek and Reinhart all on one side won't get you a true top 6.


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