i dont think railmulepanther is berating payne. i think he is saying he would have liked to see an aggressive match between 2 very talented heavyweights. as a kansas fan, i'm glad payne did what he did to preserve the dual victory. if i'm an unbiased wrestling fan going to the dual i'm disappointed from the standpoint of watching 2 very good wrestlers go at it. one thing no one has mentioned is...what if payne would have won had he wrestled aggressively? i mean, he pretty much insured he would lose by how he wrestled, not that i think thats wrong. i'm glad he got the win for KS, but i would have enjoyed seeing an aggressive match.