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Re: TOHK [Re: TheTiger] #105754 03/18/07 01:12 AM
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Tiger -
I just don't understand how (apparently in all seriousness) you can call out Charlie Knox on anything or tell your fellow officals to stop being afraid when you won't post your name.

I would take what you had to say a lot more seriously if you weren't hiding behind the mask.

You may (or may not) have valid points but how can you give it any credence when you yourself are afraid to let us know who you are.
Barry Disney

Re: TOHK [Re: Disney] #105755 03/18/07 01:27 AM
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Mr. Disney,

I am quite sure you know who I am. I don't post under my real name here because I don't wish to draw personal attention to myself or my career. Me lending my name to this call won't make it any more or less important. I'm not testifying here Barry, this is a personal decision to be made by Coach Knox.

Re: TOHK [Re: TheTiger] #105758 03/18/07 01:55 AM
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Actually, I haven't a clue who you are. I think you write well and may have some valid points. I just think that when you call someone else out by name you shoul leave your name. Honestly, how fair is it to Charlie when someone post something like you have but don't put your name on it? It is just seems ironic to me that you make this post but won't sign it. But to each his own........

Re: TOHK [Re: Disney] #105764 03/18/07 02:43 AM
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In this instance Tiger makes some good points. What's wrong with expecting someone to gain control over a situation before it spirals out of control? Too many times it appears officials and tournament directors are called to questionable coaching behaviors or fan actions/reactions for one club in particular, only to see the directors and officials take no apparent action. Also, good reference to Purler wrestlers and coaches who wrestle aggressive and hard, but never seem to be questioned for poor sportsmanship or questionable coaching or fan reaction. At least not at any tournamnet I have seen them at. I did witness the events today and I am sorry to say I was not shocked to find out no one was ejected because something likes this happens every few weeks. In this instance Mr Furches has a right to be upset, it would be hard not to take what happened personally. I'll leave that at that, but I think it's time for all clubs to get control over the coaches wearing thier club shirt and remind all fans, they belong in the bleachers and there is a difference between rooting for your wrestler and degrading the other wrestler.


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Re: TOHK [Re: loud&proudmama] #105934 03/19/07 02:10 PM
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Mr. Furches, please be honest with what happend this past Saturday, so that these nasty posts about TOHK can stop. Our team has had the upmost respect for you and your son over the past years, and I am totally shocked that you would post such remarks. I have attended the Church sessions at the State Tournaments, and I have personally had conversations with you--I can't believe that post came from the same person. Our team has always had the upmost respect for you and your son--imagine the letdown when he refused to shake hands with an opposing TOHK coach, (the one you have called into question). Please be honest and tell what really happened on Saturday--own up to the fact that YOU were openly bad mouthing TOHK and a supporter of TOHK overheard you and let you know that what you were doing was not right, and that is when the trouble began. Neither of the two coaches that you have called into question were part of the original incident. As a matter of fact, one of the coaches even tried to calm the supporter down and have him take a seat in the stands.

You stated that you have the upmost respect for Charles Knox, then why put out such a nasty post? You know how to reach Mr. Knox, call him--you don't have to go so public. Mr. Furches, you know as well as I do, when you point a finger, there is always a thumb pointing right back at you. There have been recent things done that I am sure we all could talk about that could cause embarrassment--but really what would be the point in that.

LaWanda DeShazer

Re: TOHK [Re: wanwan21] #105945 03/19/07 03:07 PM
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LaWanda, I did not bad mouth any one from TOHK and will stand behind that. I was with Jeff Harrington prior to, during and after the match, neither did Jeff say anything negative. Anyone who says they heard me or Jeff doing so is a liar or heard someone other than the two of us. In fact I didn't hear anyone badmouth a TOHK wrestler all day, and in fact have never heard anyone bad mouth a TOHK wrestler. For the one saying I did let him come out and openly state that while using their name. I will stand on that again. As to contacting Coach Knox, I have done so. Regarding shaking of hands, when respect is given, respect is returned.

You may also want to check your pm's as I have tried to address this further in that pm, including a willingness to sit down with any of the TOHK family, coaches, and the individual who stated I made any negative comment. If calmness had prevailed on Saturday, and someone was willing to talk to me about the comments I supposidly made this would have never been an issue. There was not that willingness though, even after I tried to find out what was going on. I do appreciate that you state that neither coach was around when the comment was supposidly made, at that point though, there was a responsibility to ask me about that comment as opposed to assuming I made one.

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Re: TOHK [Re: wanwan21] #105979 03/19/07 07:19 PM
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 Originally Posted By: wanwan21
Mr. Furches, please be honest with what happend this past Saturday, so that these nasty posts about TOHK can stop. Our team has had the upmost respect for you and your son over the past years, and I am totally shocked that you would post such remarks. I have attended the Church sessions at the State Tournaments, and I have personally had conversations with you--I can't believe that post came from the same person. Our team has always had the upmost respect for you and your son--imagine the letdown when he refused to shake hands with an opposing TOHK coach, (the one you have called into question). Please be honest and tell what really happened on Saturday--own up to the fact that YOU were openly bad mouthing TOHK and a supporter of TOHK overheard you and let you know that what you were doing was not right, and that is when the trouble began. Neither of the two coaches that you have called into question were part of the original incident. As a matter of fact, one of the coaches even tried to calm the supporter down and have him take a seat in the stands.

You stated that you have the upmost respect for Charles Knox, then why put out such a nasty post? You know how to reach Mr. Knox, call him--you don't have to go so public. Mr. Furches, you know as well as I do, when you point a finger, there is always a thumb pointing right back at you. There have been recent things done that I am sure we all could talk about that could cause embarrassment--but really what would be the point in that.

LaWanda DeShazer


With the two posts prompting this reply deleted it is impossible to know what was said or occurred.

 Originally Posted By: Mike Furches
LaWanda, I did not bad mouth any one from TOHK and will stand behind that. I was with Jeff Harrington prior to, during and after the match, neither did Jeff say anything negative. Anyone who says they heard me or Jeff doing so is a liar or heard someone other than the two of us. In fact I didn't hear anyone badmouth a TOHK wrestler all day, and in fact have never heard anyone bad mouth a TOHK wrestler. For the one saying I did let him come out and openly state that while using their name. I will stand on that again. As to contacting Coach Knox, I have done so. Regarding shaking of hands, when respect is given, respect is returned.

You may also want to check your pm's as I have tried to address this further in that pm, including a willingness to sit down with any of the TOHK family, coaches, and the individual who stated I made any negative comment. If calmness had prevailed on Saturday, and someone was willing to talk to me about the comments I supposidly made this would have never been an issue. There was not that willingness though, even after I tried to find out what was going on. I do appreciate that you state that neither coach was around when the comment was supposidly made, at that point though, there was a responsibility to ask me about that comment as opposed to assuming I made one.


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Re: TOHK [Re: RichardDSalyer] #105992 03/19/07 10:25 PM
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I have tried to call Charlie numerous times to discuss this but he never answers his phone and voice mail box is always too full to accept a message. I would like to talk to him about the coaches in question as well his opinion on the Southern Plains camp.


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