Sportsfan02,
We have read enough of your posts to understand that you have a problem and now it is apparent that you can't even count. One of the real problems we have, as a state, is there are over 8,000 folkstyle participants and less than 500 compete in the summer. That is less than 10% so I would venture to say that less than 10% of those who read care about this topic. As I stated before, I wish we had parents/coaches who were as passionate about wrestling in the summer as they are about seeing entries posted.

Mike should be thanked for answering questions that Bob Phillips should be addressing. I believe that Mike is not a voter on this topic. It would make sense to me that the person who proposed the mandate and runs the camp should be answering the questions. Bob Phillips did state that those who cannot afford to pay for the camp should see him about possible scholarships.

Another good question: Last year the camp was promoted using Kenny Monday's appearance as a clinician. Kenny didn't show up and a substitute was not utilized. What happened to the funds that were to be paid to Kenny? I know they were not refunded to the campers.

I feel like I need to find some tea and a harbor

I think you're being very generous throwing that 500 number around. From what I've seen over the years at FS/GR tournaments, half that number might be on the high side.


If it helps, I wish we did too. I am just not going to whine about it if we don't.


I didn't need to respond. I know the identity of Sportsfan02, duh!



Were you by chance a drama major in college?

If Kansas kids are unable to attend the REQUIRED/MANDATORY Camp there is an option. Kids could sign up with a club from any state or an ajoining state as long as they have a valid USA card.
In the past I have seen several kids in the KC area practice and sign up with the Competitors in Missouri. Even if you live in the middle of the state it is not that hard to sign up with another club from another state. I think the hard fast rule of the requirement should be dropped. I am sure the Hays camp is excellent and I have heard that it is a very great learning tool.
We have had some kids attend this camp an I have not heard a negative comment about the camp. Many kids are not able to attend for various reasons - WORK most likely is the number one reason. I think if they are training at Satelite practices rooms that have qualified coaches they will be well prepared for the Southern Plains tournament. Just a thought!

Sean McCarthy
STA Kids Club

I would rather have our kids represent Kansas! But if they are forced to other alternatives that may be the next best choice they have for whatever reason.

Mike,

Thank you for answering the questions. We plan on doing fundraisers if kids need help but the idea of scholarships had been mentioned and so I wanted to get the info so I could pass it on to the parents of our wrestlers.

I appreciate you taking the time to try and get us the information.

Shawn Budke

I'm kinda late on this topic, I understand a little on everyones veiws. What I gather about reading what other states say about their Camps is that It's not a mandatory thing in most cases but more of a package to where a large amount of parents and clubs do not worry all to much about the transportation and motel issues. Texas I believe is 250.00 for the camp this includes cost of the camp, transportation, meals, entry fee, motel,coach and chaperone costs for the tournement. So why would Kansas charge 150.00 when its at Hays this year, and as long as you are a USA member who sets the rules on keeping you from entering a USA sanctioned event as long as you have a coach. The Team Kansas concept sounds good as long as its open to all, and don't turn into another one of those so called hand selected teams some clubs are trying to create for self recognition. Or down the road it will turn into who can afford what, and leave out some who can really wrestle due to family means, or will team Kansas offer a scholarship for these cases to help a young man participate. And as far as summer wrestling it seems the numbers have grown somewhat over the last couple years, and I for one know that it has made a 100% difference in my sons wrestling. But still most of the tournements mainly in the older brackets a two or three person best out of three / round robin. But why would Kansas want to make something mandatory and turn away any young man who wants to wrestle?

Guys ... let's try and eliminate a bit of the sarcasm since this is the kids forum. Regardless what side you fall to in this debate, try to be civil with your postings!

There are far too many positives with this thread for it to be deleted! Play nice!

Randy I think you are over-reacting! None of us can predict what a moderator will consider "positive" thoughts. As long as the posts don't violate the users agreement then leave them alone. I am not sure I have seen all the posts because they were deleted without any type of notice, but to date I have seen nothing I would consider improper for a kids board. This is pretty heavy handed and I think I probably hit the "notify" button more than any other visitor to these boards.

That's cool ... I respect your opinion but I felt the posts of this morning where getting a bit out of hand.

I notified everyone that accepted private messages of that.

Move the topic where it belongs - in the Freestyle/Greco forum.

Believe me, I have considered that! However, it was the Kids Executive Council that set this requirement. Thus I felt at least it could be argued that it belonged here.

But if I did, Mr. Juby could undergo the scrutiny!!

Do what is right for the kids and veto the mandate and there will be no need for the post at all.

However, Sport0 will find some other topic or contributor to needle. Frankly, I agree with Sport0. There was nothing wrong with what was posted. It was wit at its finest from all parties. None of us are taking this too seriously. I am sure Sport0 will agree that it was really a fun exchange. I tamed all of my stuff down and you still edited it? I would have liked to have seen what all got deleted.

Bump

Do the wrestlers that competed in LasVegas this weekend get to enter the Nationals Freestyle Greco Tourney and skip the Southern Plains Camp and Tourney?

Anybody know about this?

I do know that Sharky in Freestyle and Steve in Greco will have already qualified for Fargo in those styles.

They will not need to do so again in those styles.

Cadets and Juniors can participate in several other qualifying tournaments around the country to get qualified for Fargo (No mandatory prerequisites.) Kids (Midget, Novice, Schoolboy) must compete in the Southern Plains tournament in order to qualify to wrestle in Green Bay,WI for the FS/GR National Championships.

Thanks Will

I have never known of any Junior or Cadet that wanted to go to Fargo that has been turned away because they didn’t qualify at any given tournament. Now duals might be different but over the last couple of years the have been begging kids to go! Please correct me if I’m wrong! Now the younger guys might be different but I would bet the same would be true, if you want to go to Nationals, I would bet they will gladly take your money!