I won two state championships in high school with the snake. It was what I was known for and guesse what? I still say it is a hack move. I'm not saying it shouldn't be in someones bag of tricks. I've just seen too many kids go out on the mat throw the snake, it doesn't work but they hang on to it until they get so far behind that the only way out is to keep throwing the snake. I've also seen kids getting schooled 12-0 throw the snake and win. I personally do not think the better wrestler wins in those matches, and because they win they are encouraged to keep using it. I have never seen the snake used in the NCAA finals at any level. For those who I have offended by belittling the snake...toughen up it is an opinion.