So I still don't get your point! So what your saying is that the headlock and gramby are considered "hack" moves also. Wrestling is all about learning. Making mistakes and moving foward from there. Belittling a move that someone is having success with isn't showing anything. Adam Keiswetter not only showed but proved that the twister works at all levels. As for NCAA finals.........come on! Maybe I'll hit one in the finals next year for you!