Good to be back to the discussion. Sportsfan02 Glad we never YELLED at each other. I even thought we had started getting civil .

I really appreciate the posts lately. Vince brings up a great point I would like to see debated more but so do both of the coaches. I obviously find myself agreeing quite a bit with melliott. Part of the question is how do you get the KSHAA to "loosen up a little" as you describe? It has been my experience that they have not been willing to do this. I even find myself agreeing with Sportsfan02 regarding the possibility of finding ways to organize middle school leagues to take place at least after Tulsa Nationals. That was the primary reason we decided to go club this year. The truth is that for us, we have also discovered many friends that we only see at some of these national tournaments. It had nothing to do with the coaching in that we know that Derby is one of the schools that has great middle school coaches. We know that this district has made a commitment to wrestling which is the reason we are there. I must say though, that for some schools, in all states, in some sports, there are coaches that don't know that much about the sport they are coaching. For those of us who have coached on a high school level we know this to be true, especially in some sports including at some schools, even wrestling. This is where the booster clubs, elementary programs, and other groups can become a tremendous asset in insuring that all schools get quality coaches. I think Vince’s point is rather valid, as is again Sportsfan02 on this issue. The question for the coaches, is there any chance to have the season in the Wichita, Derby area at a different time, this year for example there was no way to wrestle many of the tournaments including specifically USJOC and Tulsa Nationals. Another question for the coaches is do they have the option of scheduling some of those tournaments into their schedule? Sportsfan02, apparently you have been part of a league or have knowledge of this recently taking place, any suggestions from you here would also be appreciated. By the way, I still believe the best opportunity is to allow both, but if that don’t occur Sportsfan02’s suggestion if available to us, would have motivated us to do both this year.