Thanks for the input. Those results do create mixed feelings. The 5A 103 bracket was MUCH tougher than 6A. With Stokes, Wood, Keller and Salas in that bracket, a 6th place finish by Blaine is understandable. In most cases, State Champions are given preference. I'll consider reshuffling that weight.

Chief,

Where are the all class team rankings? (tournament/dual) I think the tourny and dual team rankings would be quit different.

I'm working on those too. I'll have to stay with the tournament team rankings as we have no dual team state.

How do these All-Class Team rankings look?

Rank-Team-SP-SQ

1. Goddard - 8 - 12
2. Bishop Carroll - 5 - 8
3. Manhattan - 7 - 8
4. Arkansas City - 4 - 6
5. Clay Center - 4 - 4
6. Colby - 3 - 5
7. Valley Center - 4 - 9
8. Emporia - 4 - 9
9. Hutchinson - 3 - 5
10. Derby - 3 - 9

the 189 and 215 lineups are interesting. Guessing you're eastern Ks boy, as not much love for Heckel/189, Racette/215. They have both been quite good for awhile. Racette is deserving of higher "guesstimate". Heckel probably is too, just don't know #2,3 guys.
Joe Bach still planning to be 215 (and wishing Thanksgiving after March 1st)

Jesse Barber is going 119

I kind of chuckle over some of the rankings and the reactions they get. I will say on 215, I’ve seen all the young gentlemen wrestle except one. If Joe Bach is going 215, I would defiantly rank him 1st and pencil him in the finals with out a doubt, he is a stud. No disrespect to anyone. What did he go last year, something like 38-0 & a dominate State Champ. It will be a fun year to watch how everyone finishes. Good luck to all!!!

I was wondering your thoughts at 215???
Kober, Racette and Bach all 3 state champs, Also Bird who took 3rd and rated below Kriss who took 5th ???
Am I missing something here? Caylor? I guess I dont get out much.

Why there are some very good lower classmen in the 215lb, I think by the end of the year the upper classmen will prove to be the cream of the crop. With no disrespect to any of the wrestlers. Here are my thoughts for what it’s worth. Why Kriss has improved, I don’t see him ranked 1st. I see Bach the one at the top. I haven’t see Racette wrestle so not sure how to rank him, but I would think Kober,Racette,Kriss would figure in there next. While Caylor and Bird are defiantly going to be there in the end, I think the upper classmen experience will keep them from being in the finals “this year”. Downs is coming off a early season ending injury last year. While very rusty, he should be up to speed by the end of the season and should figure in the mix somewhere. I know most of these wrestlers and wish them all a good season.

215 is a tough one to call. Joe Bach is the obvious choice if he really does get to that weight. I really can't see why he would though. There is interest in him by D1 schools. Unless he plans on some serious pulling to 197, he is a HWT. If he wants to continue wrestling after HS, he's much better off getting HWT competition. If he does get to 215, I'll be the first to get him ranked there. The Nick Kriss ranking came from the Fall Brawl last month. He beat Caylor, who is our Fargo double National Champion. Kriss also won a tough Monster Match bracket in Colorado. Having said that, I'm still considering moving Kober and Racette up.

215? It sure would be great to lift and grow into that college projection for you Joe. I agree with Racette moving up. Heckel is also tough, but probably close to that ranking.

Being from SE KS and I only have 2 6A #1's?

6A - 2
5A - 7
4A - 4
321A - 1

Who is this Bach heavyweight?

He is a senior from Liberal who won 5A State at 215 last year. 5A 215 was a very tough division last year and Joe was pretty dominant in that class. I think he was undefeated last year. I believe his dad has stated a couple of times that Joe was planning on wrestling 215 again this year. He is a very good wrestler and he will be real tough at whatever weight he ends up wrestling this year 215 or heavyweight.

I will say that if Chief is correct that Duane Zlatnick is our number three ranked heavyweight in Kansas this year, then Kansas has to be one of the best states overall in the country this year for heavyweights. Zlatnick is a two time defending State champion in 3-2-1A. I am not sure if he has even lost a match in the last two years. I just viewed this weekend the final match of the Bobcat last year and Zlatnick is very intimidating. He has great speed, power, size and wrestling skills. That should be one great match when he and Atticus Disney meet at the Topeka city tournament at the end of the year before regionals.

No Topeka or Shawnee County tourney this year Vince. Not sure if they will match anytime this season.

That is too bad. Zlatnick vs. Disney really would be a great match of two of the top heavyweights in the country. Maybe it will happen in some off season competition.

Kansas can sure be proud of our HWT's. The last two years, Bach, Disney and Andrus have gone:

Zlatnik - 81-2
Disney - 63-4
Andrus - 50-7

I believe Duane lost to Elijah Madison by 1 point. He is the #3 ranked Kansas prospect in Football and doesn't wrestle FS/GR. Too bad he won't wrestle in college. Selfishly, I would love to have Joe Bach at 215 for the Junior Duals but his college future will be at HWT. Even after these three, we have deep talent at 285 with Jacob Nowak, Lucas Vincent, Brock Heithaus, Alex Thomas, Spencer Hilley and several others.

Eric - Why do you think Bach's college future is only at heavyweight? Look at guys like Ian Bork who wrestled 215 and then went 197 in college. College guys cut a lot of weight. I know some guys move up to heavyweight from 215 or even 189 but I also think it depends on body size and what the kids natural walking around weight is. Someone who is naturally 220 is well within range of 197 for college. I don't know what weight Joe will end up in college but I certainly think he would fit in nicely at 197 if he desired.

Jessie Strawn comes to mind. He easily could have wrestled 215 as a senior. He stayed at 189 to show colleges his quickness and etc.. Now he is wrestling 184. Erisman, Grater, etc.. all wrestled less in college than in high school. It just depends on body size.

Some also wrestle up in high school for the betterment of their team.

Eric:

When and where did Zlatnick lose to Madison by one point? I thought Duane was undefeated last year. I thought Dom Bradley might have defeated Andrus by a point last year. I think maybe Madison and Disney met last year in a close match.

Zlatnick, Disney, Andrus and Madison (now at Oak Park in KCMO) are all national ranked heavyweights and they are all originally from Kansas.