Beeson, I agree with you 100%...I understand mat time in round robin format, Now is our $15.00 entry fee buying a medal or quality wrestling??? I like the bigger brackets if they are seeded correctly.. I wouldn't say 4th place in a round robin is a slap in the face for a novice or a c/d wrestler, I have quite a few in that category this year and for them to receive a medal is a huge boost to their ego...Now as for what I like to call the "BIG BOYS" (A) wrestlers I will agree that sucks, They know 4th is last place in round robin format... P.S. Will gave Villars a good run last week. I'll take a 3-0 loss to that stud