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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #115976 01/15/08 06:13 PM
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If you also maintain the rankings by class, Brendan Harsham at 125 in 3-2-1A should be Brendan Harshman. Thx.

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: C C] #116007 01/16/08 01:38 AM
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cameron roijas beat thoman last year and all american at fargo he might need some consideration he hasn't wrestled much because of an injury but should be good for state


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: nastyway] #116010 01/16/08 02:06 AM
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Cameron is plenty tough. He's a great kid that helped Kansas at the PH Duals. I expect him to make some waves down the stretch. I'm sure 160 will have plenty of changes week to week.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #116036 01/16/08 04:13 PM
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Chief--At 160, Grant Hinkley (Lansing) beat Jordan Brown (Pitt.)at the Bobcat Classic in the 3rd place match. Might want to take a look at that.

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Scrapdog] #116038 01/16/08 04:53 PM
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I wasn't aware that Roijas All-American'd at Fargo last summer. Great job. What division and weight?

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Disney] #116039 01/16/08 05:17 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Disney
I wasn't aware that Roijas All-American'd at Fargo last summer. Great job. What division and weight?


It was in 2006 that Cameron placed at Fargo in Greco.

Cadet - 152 Results
1st Place - Travis Rutt of Minnesota
2nd Place - Cody Brown of Wyoming
3rd Place - Eric Cubberly of Ohio
4th Place - Matthew Cartusciello of New York
5th Place - David Kohlbach of New York
6th Place - Cameron Riojas of Kansas
7th Place - Eric Terrazas of Illinois
8th Place - Mike D`alessandro of Ohio


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #116046 01/16/08 06:53 PM
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No disrespect to Hinkley but I think as a rater you would have to take into consideration the giant screwing that Jordan suffered the previous night. It was good, hard, tough wrestling but not a slam, in my opinion. Lets not pussify the sport!


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Cokeley] #116049 01/16/08 07:29 PM
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I predict that Brown will be climbing that 160 ladder over the next month.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Cokeley] #116061 01/17/08 02:44 AM
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Two exhausted wrestlers knowing that if they win that semi-finals match, will take first. I guess I might have to agree that that semi-final match between Thoman and Brown took stamina from both wrestlers, however you must put your head between your legs to say "Lets not pussify the sport!" Was that a slam? Well, it was a very close call. If you look at the rule book, you have to have control and a knee must land before your opponent. Once again, very close call. Thoman's arms were trapped and the knee hit at the same time as Thoman's back. I personally left it in the hands of the ref. He was closer to the action and that is his job. Yeah, it is a judgement call and that is not why I am responding. I am responding because of your claim that Thoman is "pussifying" the sport. Is that a word? I dont know who you are, but if you want to put your foot on the line with Thoman, I promise you will walk away "pussified!"

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: gregg] #116065 01/17/08 02:59 AM
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WOW !!!!

I don't see where Cokley said anything about Thoman "pussifying" the sport! I can't speak for him, but I am almost positive he is referring to the referee (not Thoman). When two good wrestlers are on the mat the outcome should be left in their hands, not the refs. From everything I have heard the ref in this match turned a 5 point move for Brown into a 1 point move for Thoman.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: BigPin22] #116068 01/17/08 03:26 AM
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It sure looked like a slam to a few of us sitting right there. I congratulate the young man for continuing the match.

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: resslnfan] #116069 01/17/08 03:58 AM
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My comment was directed towards the trend of folkstyle officials getting to conservative. Gregg, you need to look in the rule book because there is nothing in the rule book about the knee hitting the mat first. It is a total judgement call and Thoman has no control over that. I don't need to stick my head anywhere to have an opinion that Folkstyle is "pussified" compared to Freestyle or Greco and even compared to a few years ago. In my opinion Thoman should have been hit with another stalling during the last 35 seconds that he ran from Brown. This would have put the match into OT and the wrestlers could have decided the win. If an official is concerned for the safety of the wrestler, blow the whistle and call potentially dangerous instead of awarding unearned points.

I too commend Thoman for continueing and not taking an automatic win. I never meant any disrespect for him as he did what he needed to do to win with this particular official.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: BigPin22] #116070 01/17/08 04:04 AM
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gregg,

You really missed this one. Clearly he was referring to the call, not Thoman. Everybody who knows Sam respects him as a great competitor. I can also say that he wouldn't have wanted that call either. That's the kind of character he has. As far as "knowing" they would win first, that road still went through Bonewell and the Andale animal got it done.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Cokeley] #116100 01/17/08 07:15 PM
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Refering to Brown vs. Thoman, the refs #1 job is safety for the wrestlers. Slam or not, Carl was using his judgement and experience to stop the match. Now as far as Hinkley vs. Brown, there was no "giant screwing" to Brown in that match. Hinkley just beat him. Great match. Hinkley got a takedown with 12 sec. left and rode him out. 4-3 final. If Brown was still thinking about losing the day before, get over it and wrestle. Quit crying about it. Don't let the match be that close where a ref's judgement could turn the match around.

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Scrapdog] #116104 01/17/08 08:54 PM
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How does calling a slam help with safety??? That is bs. Blow your whistle and call potentially dangerous then you are protecting the wrestlers. Awarding points by judging whether or not someone hit the mat too hard is not wrestling and it isn't helping the sport become more safe either. If your too slow to intervene then get off the mat.

If you think a controversial loss, right or wrong, doesn't impact a teenage kid you are wrong. At the end of the day most of these wrestlers still can't vote, buy beer, enter into a contract or completely control their emotions because they are still kids.

If officials worked as hard at making the right calls as most of these wrestlers work then there wouldn't be as many controversial calls. Just because you take a test, attend three meetings, put on your appropriate shirt and pants, get your name in the KSHSAA book doesn't make you a good official. The good ole boy system is alive and thriving and it is time we get a decent evaluation system in place that would allow us to properly use veteran officials and get the valuable experience and post season assignments to the best officials whether they are young, old, new, seasoned or whatever. Right now it is just a giant zebra popularity contest.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Cokeley] #116112 01/17/08 10:34 PM
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I watched the Brown thoman match and It wasn't a slam it was good hard wrestling. I thought some of the officials at the bobcat were horrible, I have seen one of them three times this year and at one time he might have been good, but he isn't any more it's time for him to retire he's been at it too long.

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Cokeley] #116133 01/18/08 01:37 PM
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Willie, Willie, Willie, stop with your senseless OPINIONS dude. Stop making excuses for wrestlers that loss a match and stop whinning about the officials. Hey, I'll let the rest of the state know that the loss Brown "suffered" (poor guy) doesn't count. Emotional losses don't count on your record. Put an asterisk by it. Let's deal with the facts:

Fact #1: Thoman beat Brown
Fact #2: Hinkley beat Brown

That's the bottom line!

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Scrapdog] #116137 01/18/08 02:31 PM
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Fact #3: Jordan Brown doesn't care about Scrapdog's ranting and doesn't need any excuses.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #116138 01/18/08 03:12 PM
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Is that a fact or your opinion? Don't get me wrong Chief, Brown is very good wrestler that will/should place at the state tournament. I am just stating the facts to Willie C. Whatever the reasons, he lost 2 consec. matches at the Bobcat. Right?!

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Scrapdog] #116141 01/18/08 03:39 PM
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It was the "suffered", "poor guy" and "asterisk" comments that you can't attach to Jordan Brown.


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