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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Ryan Jilka] #116338 01/21/08 09:29 PM
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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #116339 01/21/08 09:35 PM
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Not having ever undertaken the thankless task of ranking wrestlers,I have little doubt that the ranking of wrestlers (particularly those who have not had an opportunity to recently wrestle each other) is ordinarily a very subjective and difficult task, at best. I would presume however that I am also correct in hazzarding an opinion there are always a few extra-ordinary wrestlers around who invite no sane controversy, in these matters: Romero Cotton immediately comes to mind. I would also offer up Kyle Detmer as a possible wrestler who appears to have distanced and/or separated himself from his pack, as well. Perhaps, Atticus Disney should also be included, but I've heard a few people suggest that Bach, Zlatnik, Andrus, (before his injury) and Kober (who only lost to Disney by a point), would give him a pretty good run for his money. Not being familiar with other such wrestlers out there, I nonetheless presume that they are out there. I'm not referring to wrestlers the likes of Calwell, Arnold and/or Isenberg, and many others - all gritty, double-tough and truely outstanding wrestlers - but when they wrestle one another, there is mystery and/or intrigue surrounding the outcome. I'm referring to those wrestlers who potentially could breeze through a season - not only undefeated (at least in Kansas) but do so in an extra-ordinary manner (i.e. such as all victories by fall, never scored upon, never have been taken down, etc...) Any names come to mind?

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Question regarding Chase Nelson from Wichita Heights. Is he now going to wrestle at 135 lbs? I've been to a couple of fairly recent tournaments where he wrestled 140 lbs. Any information on his intentions at regional/state?

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I believe he will be at 135 the rest of the way.

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Thanks alot.

Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Svo69] #116368 01/22/08 03:17 AM
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Jordan Meyer, 152pder for Sabetha is 16-0 with 12 falls, 2 tech falls and 2 descisions, he just gave up his first takedowns of the season to Travis Rempe in the Beloit finals, which he won 7-4.
He had 12 falls in a row until the Semi-Finals of Beloit.But he recently fell out of the rankings at this weight on this post.

And being a ranker myself for 321-A it is a VERY subjective and hard thing to do, it takes about 3-4 hours everytime to rearrange the rankings. I am learning on the job so I do not receive much flak at the moment, I am sure that will change as time goes by! Thanks for all the information from all of the coaches out there that make the job easier!

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Troll, Mr. Isenberg, or Crybaby...however you want to be addressed, it's an opinion...so your not on top of the opionion poll...for a 45 year old tough marine you sure cry alot about opinions. Are you seriously calling out a high school kid? Sure what it looks like to me. If I'm wrong I will apologize...other opinions...

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The rankings really mean nothing. I think they are entertaining and it is healthy to speculate and predict. We have them for every major college sport so why not have them in wrestling. There is no way to completely settle the all class rankings since Grand State was eliminated more than three decades ago so who is number one in the all class ranking is really anyone's guess. I commend the Chief for his passion, interest, and the hours of time he puts into researching and interviewing to compile his list. Having many times spent time pow wowing and smokng the peace pipe, I know that he has the best interest of wrestling in mind first and foremost. He trys to be as fair and as unbiased as possible. He does the best he can with the information that is available. (By the way, shame on all of you coaches who do not report complete results in a timely manner! Notice the number of duals and dual tournaments that do not have the individual results reported!) Rankings are not seedings (by the way, which needs to be a topic all to itself as most are ridiculous attempts at manipulating the brackets.) They are the reporting of the order of ability of each wrestler in each weight class in a MAJORITY of matchups. One match may or may not impact the rankings as the rater may still feel that a wrestler would have won in a majority of the match ups. Hail to the CHIEF!!

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Revised:

103:
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 11 - CH
2. Jeff Vesta - 11 - MN
3. Roger Windham - 11 - DB
4. Blaine Smith - 10 - SS
5. Dylan Penka - 9 - BC
6. Taylor Moeder - 9 - CB
7. Isaac Ruiz - 10 - JC
8. Darrin Stroot - 12 - AN
9. Caleb Seaton - 9 - BS

112:
1. Sharky Slyter - 11 - PA
2. Alan Callahan - 11 - BAL
3. James Wauer - 11 - WA
4. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE
5. Daniel Deshazer - 9 - SH
6. Logan Singular - 10 - CC
7t. Zach Tanenbaum - 9 - BVN
7t. Symon Seaton - 9 - BL

119: (Toughest weight to rank!)
1. Jordan Keller - 12 - BC
2. Chase Nitcher - 10 - VC
3. Collin Hase - 12 - SL
4. Jarod Ribelin - 12 - RV
5. Derrick Weller - 10 - PI - (Beat Cokeley and Rockhold)
6. Nick Rockhold - 12 - BAL - (Split with Cokeley, beat Madl)
7. Ryne Cokeley - 9 - SJ - (Beat Madl twice, split with Lawrence)
8. Parker Madl - 10 - BV - (Beat Weller and Lawrence)
9. Jesse Barber - 12 - DC - (Pinned by Cokeley)
10. Chaz Lawrence - 11 - OS (Split with Cokeley)


125:
1. John Keller - 12 - BC
2. Nathan McCormick - 12 - BVN
3. Trent Cox - 11 - AN
4. Colt Rogers - 10 - SC
5. Zach Peters - 12 - AU
6. Connor McCarthy - 12 - STA

130:
1. Kendrick Maple - 11 - WH
2. Jake Tanenbaum - 12 - BVN
3. Matt Noblet - 12 - PA
4. Kevin Callahan - 12 - BAL
5. Tim Dunham - 12 - MZ
6. Trison Graham - 12 - AC
7t. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH
7t. Seth Mertins - 12 - VC

135:
1. CJ Napier - 11 - CO
2. Mitchell Means - 11 - GD
3. Tony Livengood - 12 - BVN
4. Chase Nelson - 11 - WH
5. Colby Crank - 11 - HT
6. Jacob Wagner - 12 - MN
7. Tommy Knapp - 12 - LN

140:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 11 - GD
2. Aldon Isenberg - 12 - GE
3. Phillip Henes - 12 - ST
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE
5. Joey Lutz - 12 - SME
6. Russell Naylor - 11 - SH
7. AJ Stephens - 12 - GL

145:
1. Mitch Arnold - 12 - BC
2. Ryan Houlden - 11 - GD
3. Nathan Sommer - 11 - PV
4. Gage Reichert - 12 - DC
5. Steven Miller - 12 - MN
6. Cody Eaton - 12 - BN
7. Todd Curtis - 10 - GE

152:
1. Kyle Detmer - 11 - BC
2. Brent Fisher - 12 - GD
3. Pete Tapia - 12 - WI
4. Chris Watson - 11 - ANC
5. Nick Flynn - 12 - LG
6. Jordan Meyer - 12 - SA
7. Justin Ringgold - 12 - WNW

160:
1. Sam Thoman - 12 - AN
2. Brandon Bonewell - 12 - GD
3. Ben Davis - 12 - CC
4. Cody Reinhart - 12 - DB
5. Tyler Rosenhamer - 12 - BC
6. Jordan Brown - 11 - PT
7. Greg Curtis - 11 - GE

171:
1. Scott Elliott - 12 - AC
2. Boaz Beard - 11 - GD
3. Tyler Koehn - 12 - PT
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB
5. Phil Witt - 12 - LV
6. Blake Willman - 12 - CC
7. William Bowles - 12 - KH

189:
1. Romero Cotton - 12 - HT
2. Matt Baker - 12 - SME
3. Derek Heckel - 12 - UL
4. Blake Long - 12 - DB
5. Mark Kolmer - 10 - EMP
6. Clinton Bruce - 12 - AC
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC
8. Ryan Patterson - 12 - GP

215:
1. Joe Bach - 12 - LB
2. Aaron Racette - 12 - OA
3. Jake Kober - 12 - SFT
4. Nick Kriss - 12 - CB
5. Kyle Caylor - 10 - WNW
6. Tyler Downs - 12 - DB

285:
1. Atticus Disney - 12 - SH
2. Duane Zlatnik - 12 - RS
3. Steve Andrus - 12 - MN
4. Alex Thomas - 12 - NO
5. Bobby Doxon - 12 - GL
6. Spencer Hilley - 12 - CL
7. BJ Finney - 10 - AN


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #116382 01/22/08 01:31 PM
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Chief has taken on a very hard task that it seems like for the number of wrestlers on the list, there are very few complaints.....so he must be doing something right! Thank you for your hard work and all the time you spend giving us on the outside a look inside.

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thanks only have a month or so left of the high school season left and it was getting pretty stale around here keep up the good work.
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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #116466 01/22/08 10:08 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
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Anderson also beat Rockhold in Rossville finals, 4-3.


Who has Tyler Anderson lost to this year?


He lost to Nitcher at Valley Center 6-5
He lost to Keller at Valley Center by fall
He lost to Keller at Newton 15-7
He lost to Rose at Newton 3-2

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Thanks Chew. I know that Tyler is tough. I saw the Rockhold match in Rossville. Those are also quality losses. Rose will probably end up ranked also.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #116603 01/25/08 08:59 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Svo69
Question regarding Chase Nelson from Wichita Heights. Is he now going to wrestle at 135 lbs? I've been to a couple of fairly recent tournaments where he wrestled 140 lbs. Any information on his intentions at regional/state?


 Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
I believe he will be at 135 the rest of the way.


Posted on Fri, Jan. 25, 2008

Heights 42, Southeast 35
103--Daris, SE, pinned Waller 1:47;
112--Bennett, SE, def. L. Davis 22-6;
119--DeShazer, H, pinned Hong 1:24;
125--D. Davis, H, pinned Triana 1:33;
130--T. Nelson, H, pinned Wood 1:55;
135--Maple, H, pinned O'Brian 1:30;
140--C. Nelson, H, pinned Porati 1:43;
145--Maier, H, def. Eilins 6-0;
152--Choporro, SE, pinnedMoore 2:48;
160--Mosley, SE, pinned Grays 1:42;
171--Edwards, H, def. Sanorah 7-2;
189--Alexander, SE, pinnedHaskins 2:27;
215--Goens, SE, pinned Neal 3:49;
285--Scott, H, pinned Faust 5:47.


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Clearly, Deshazer, Davis, T. Nelson, Maple and Chase bumped up for this dual. Expect Chase Nelson at 135 for the qualifying events.


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Re: All - Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #116718 01/26/08 11:37 PM
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Chase has weighed in several times at 135 but bumped in duals to wrestle the stronger opponent. He wrestled 135 today at Garden Plain Went 5-0 defeating Ryan Salyer of Circle in the finals. He will be at 135 for Kapaun Dual, GWAL League Tourney, Regionals, and State.


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Revised:

103:
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 11 - CH
2. Jeff Vesta - 11 - MN
3. Roger Windham - 11 - DB
4. Blaine Smith - 10 - SS
5. Dylan Penka - 9 - BC
6. Taylor Moeder - 9 - CB
7. Isaac Ruiz - 10 - JC
8. Darrin Stroot - 12 - AN
9. Caleb Seaton - 9 - BS

112:
1. Sharky Slyter - 11 - PA
2. Alan Callahan - 11 - BAL
3. James Wauer - 11 - WA
4. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE
5. Daniel Deshazer - 9 - SH
6. Logan Singular - 10 - CC
7t. Zach Tanenbaum - 9 - BVN
7t. Symon Seaton - 9 - BL

119: (Toughest weight to rank!)
1. Jordan Keller - 12 - BC
2. Chase Nitcher - 10 - VC
3. Collin Hase - 12 - SL
4. Jarod Ribelin - 12 - RV
5. Derrick Weller - 10 - PI - (Beat Cokeley and Rockhold)
6. Nick Rockhold - 12 - BAL - (Split with Cokeley, beat Madl)
7. Ryne Cokeley - 9 - SJ - (Beat Madl twice, split with Lawrence)
8. Parker Madl - 10 - BV - (Beat Weller and Lawrence)
9. Jesse Barber - 12 - DC - (Pinned by Cokeley)


125:
1. John Keller - 12 - BC
2. Nathan McCormick - 12 - BVN
3. Trent Cox - 11 - AN
4. Colt Rogers - 10 - SC
5. Zach Peters - 12 - AU
6. Connor McCarthy - 12 - STA

130:
1. Kendrick Maple - 11 - WH
2. Jake Tanenbaum - 12 - BVN
3. Matt Noblet - 12 - PA
4. Kevin Callahan - 12 - BAL
5. Tim Dunham - 12 - MZ
6. Trison Graham - 12 - AC
7t. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH
7t. Seth Mertins - 12 - VC

135:
1. CJ Napier - 11 - CO
2. Mitchell Means - 11 - GD
3. Tony Livengood - 12 - BVN
4. Chase Nelson - 11 - WH
5. Colby Crank - 11 - HT
6. Jacob Wagner - 12 - MN
7. Tommy Knapp - 12 - LN

140:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 11 - GD
2. Aldon Isenberg - 12 - GE
3. Phillip Henes - 12 - ST
4. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE
5. Joey Lutz - 12 - SME
6. Russell Naylor - 11 - SH
7. AJ Stephens - 12 - GL

145:
1. Mitch Arnold - 12 - BC
2. Ryan Houlden - 11 - GD
3. Nathan Sommer - 11 - PV
4. Gage Reichert - 12 - DC
5. Steven Miller - 12 - MN
6. Cody Eaton - 12 - BN
7. Todd Curtis - 10 - GE

152:
1. Kyle Detmer - 11 - BC
2. Brent Fisher - 12 - GD
3. Pete Tapia - 12 - WI
4. Chris Watson - 11 - ANC
5. Nick Flynn - 12 - LG
6. Jordan Meyer - 12 - SA
7. Justin Ringgold - 12 - WNW

160:
1. Sam Thoman - 12 - AN
2. Brandon Bonewell - 12 - GD
3. Ben Davis - 12 - CC
4. Cody Reinhart - 12 - DB
5. Tyler Rosenhamer - 12 - BC
6. Jordan Brown - 11 - PT
7. Greg Curtis - 11 - GE

171:
1. Scott Elliott - 12 - AC
2. Boaz Beard - 11 - GD
3. Tyler Koehn - 12 - PT
4. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB
5. Phil Witt - 12 - LV
6. Blake Willman - 12 - CC
7. William Bowles - 12 - KH

189:
1. Romero Cotton - 12 - HT
2. Matt Baker - 12 - SME
3. Derek Heckel - 12 - UL
4. Blake Long - 12 - DB
5. Mark Kolmer - 10 - EMP
6. Clinton Bruce - 12 - AC
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC
8. Ryan Patterson - 12 - GP

215:
1. Joe Bach - 12 - LB
2. Aaron Racette - 12 - OA
3. Jake Kober - 12 - SFT
4. Nick Kriss - 12 - CB
5. Kyle Caylor - 10 - WNW
6. Tyler Downs - 12 - DB

285:
1. Atticus Disney - 12 - SH
2. Duane Zlatnik - 12 - RS
3. Steve Andrus - 12 - MN
4. Alex Thomas - 12 - NO
5. Bobby Doxon - 12 - GL
6. BJ Finney - 10 - AN
7. Zack Puetz - 12 - Garden Plain

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Will Hilley getting beat yesterday change the 4a or overall rankings?

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Will Hilley getting beat yesterday change the 4a or overall rankings?


Who beat him?


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Puetz from Garden Plain, who is ranked 3rd in 321a. He pinned him in the second period. Patterson looked really good. I heard the kid he beat placed third at state last year (Oklahoma), but I can't verify that.

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