I WAS AT THE G.C. INVITE THIS WEEKEND AND NOTICED A CERTIAN WRESTLERS FATHER VIDEO TAPING ANOTHER MATCH THAT HIS SON WAS NOT IN BUT WAS THE SAME WEIGHT JUST WONDERING THE RULES ON THIS SUBJECT

The NFHS Rule is as follows:

Rule 10
Section 1
Article 2 - Videotaping or filming is authorized unless prohibited by the state high school association. Any videotaping or filming for the purpose of reviewing during competition, however is prohibited.

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Hot wing,

Were you the one trying to make a big stink over the taping of matches at the tournament? You should check the rules before pointing your finger and then attempting to obstruct the taping of said "other wrestler's" matches.

Just to clarify, I was not video taping ANY matches but if someone wanted to tape my son or any wrestler I would take it as a compliment and not worry about it one bit. You can prepare for a match from a tape and then end up getting caught in something you have never seen before!

The KSHSAA RULE regarding video taping:

1.M Filming or Video Taping Matches
Any filming or video taping for the purpose of review during competition is prohibited. This includes multiple day tournaments.(emphasis added by Richard D. Salyer)Video taping and camera filming are considered one and the same and can only occur when there is competition between your wrestler and an opponent. Again, taping and filming cannot take place when you do not have a wrestler involved at that time. (emphasis added by Richard D. Salyer)The only exception would be the state consolation and championship finals where video taping and camera filming of any match is permissible.

KSHSAA rant in 5-4-3-2-

The KSHSAA RULE regarding video taping:

1.M Filming or Video Taping Matches
Any filming or video taping for the purpose of review during competition is prohibited. This includes multiple day tournaments.(emphasis added by Richard D. Salyer)Video taping and camera filming are considered one and the same and can only occur when there is competition between your wrestler and an opponent. Again, taping and filming cannot take place when you do not have a wrestler involved at that time. (emphasis added by Richard D. Salyer)The only exception would be the state consolation and championship finals where video taping and camera filming of any match is permissible.


Were you in attendance with a video camera? It appears once again my friend is involved in some form of conflict and everyone else is wrong.

My deepest apologies go out to Sir Richard, King of usawks.com! I just being a mere peon poster should know better than to put any comments about a situation I witnessed. I should have known that you were watching and knowing all of the facts no matter where you were. You are sort of like the Santa Claus of wrestling. Better not shout, better not cry, you better not lie and I am telling you why Sir Richard is watching you and will rail on you!

Back to the topic. YES, I was there. NO, I didn't have a camera. I did witness the seen that the DC folks were causing a big scene over a dad who was taping multiple matches. They were finger pointing, yelling and even stooped to sitting in front of the videographer! I got out a KSHSAA handbook to assure the dad that he could video but not review with his son. Could it be that a video tape might come in handy for a certain tournament held the third weekend in February? Why would you need one for the event you are able to eye witness? The rule DOES NOT APPLY to SPECTATORS only to wrestlers and coaches. Quit being such a pompous ass and keep your nose out of everyone else's business.

You and sport0 need to get a life, maybe Hilary could use you guys during her campaign?!

Please tell me you are just being humorous and don't carry a KSHSAA manual around with you.

By the way Richard, if I am your friend I would hate to see the way you treat your adversaries! I personally would not consider you such after the disrespectful way you have treated me and the Chief these past few weeks.

Point of clarification...This rule applies to ALL taping. It IS illegal to video matches you are not directly involved in. INCLUDING SPECTATORS.

Maybe it's time for another rant against the unfairness of KSHSAA and the restrictions it places on us all.

Mr. Seibel -

Where do you find authority for the statement that the rules applies to spectators? I looked throught the KSHSAA handbook and couldn't find anything.

Granted a host school could could require that everyone in attendance follow KSHSAA rules (such as they do w/ sportsmanship) or risk being kicked out if they don't. But that is different than stating that a particular rule governs everyone.

I think this issue needs to be answered so someone doesn't violate it.

Q1: Can a spectator (non-coach, non wrestler) videotape?
Q2: Can a wrestler review a tape after a competition is done but the season is still on going?

... or has happened in other States, can a "non-involved spectator" become an agent of the coach, parent or wrestler and allow them to view the "casual" tape!

Mr. Cokeley, you are correct, one may video tape but can not review with the wrestlers. Tournament management was aware of the complaint but without actual proof the tape was being used to review with the wrestlers nothing could be done short of taking the parent's tape and returning it after the matches. Congratulations is in order for son's championship he wrestled a great match, and you probably need show some more emotion. Just kidding.

Disney,

To my knowledge (some would argue this is limited) very little interpretation is needed.

"Any filming or video taping for the purpose of review during competition is prohibited. This includes multiple day tournaments. Video taping and camera filming are considered one and the same and can only occur when there is competition between your wrestler and an opponent. Again, taping and filming cannot take place when you do not have a wrestler involved at that time."

I don't understand the need to bring in lawyers, guru's, etc.

Paraphrasing a fomer President's defense; it depends on your definition of NO TAPING WHEN YOUR WRESTLER IS NOT INVOLVED.

Gary,

You got this out of the KSHSAA book which only applies to competitors, coaches and I assume school employees. This is my interpretation as well as that of the AD of the host school. We could be wrong but if we are I guess communism is alive and well in Kansas! The entire tournament at Garden City was being simulcast in their hospitality room by a video camera!

Do you think it is feasible to run around the gym and ask everyone who has a camera if they are filming their wrestler? Do you think we should ban cameras? Football and Basketball teams exchange films and scout. Why can't wrestlers do the same? If you don't think we should be able to tape and review then you are a part of the movement to lower the standard of competitiveness in Kansas. Just this past weekend three Kansas teams hosted events and invited out of state teams to compete and all three events were won by out of state invitees. Wake up! We are falling behind because of a failure to be progressive and by not changing rules, methods, and philosophies. I challenge you to dispute that the KSHSAA rules are in place to level the playing field by bringing the top down instead of the bottom up.

Several coaches and referees may recall an incident within the last ten (10) years in Kansas where a video camera was confiscated at a KSHSAA sponsored event. After the tape was reviewed and it was determined the perpetrator was in violation of the KSHSAA rules he was promptly removed from the premises.

Missouri is one of the states winning the tournaments you refer to. (However STA did win the SM North tournament with Missouri representation)

Here's Missouri's rule on filming. They don't allow it either.


FILMING AND/OR VIDEO TAPING: The MSHSAA, in administering
the state wrestling series, has found that some persons who film/video tape are school personnel (i.e., assistant coaches, audio visual personnel, etc.); however, there also are many non-school individuals, parents, fans, etc. providing these services for schools. Many times, these persons (school and non-school) receive no direction prior to their attendance at the district or state tournaments. The instructions and stipulations shall be in effect for the regular season as well as the state
series in order that these persons are under the direction of the school and are aware of the provisions under which each school is allowed to film or video tape matches of the state series. (See Appendix E).

1. RESTRICTIONS: Schools and individuals will be allowed to
film/video tape in accord with Rule 10-1-2, which states that "any
video taping or filming for the purposes of reviewing during competition
is prohibited." Failure on the part of the school to comply with
this provision could result in elimination of wrestler(s) from the
meet.

If that really happened, and there is a good chance it didn't as Richard is starting to suffer from wrestling talk forum dementia, then shame on us for letting such a stupid rule remain in place. I have outlined the circumstances and sent the question to the Almighty Bowden for clarification. Hopefully results from this inquiry will be available today.

Gary - Sorry to disagree but I don't think the rule is that clear. Thus we need some interpetation.

Why does the rule say "for review during competition". That makes it sound as if review after competition is allowed. If not why wouldn't the rule simply say "for review".

And if review after competition is allowed then how would that take place if you do not videotape?

No need to bring any lawyers or etc.. but you stated a position I am simply trying to evaluate it and wanted to know the source.

Richard - I do remember the incident you described. Do you know if KSHSAA has ever commented on this particular rule? We seem to have two different schools of thought.

Q1: Can a spectator (non-coach, non wrestler) videotape?
Q2: Can a wrestler review a tape after a competition is done but the season is still on going?