Chief, what does Vesta have to do to be number 1 at 103? I see that Ornelas has 2 losses on the state brackets. Vesta is 34-0 with several wins over the other ranked guys. I am really curious what it would take for you to put him at #1.

Vesta has had another great year. I know and respect Jeff and have seen him wrestle many times. He's had some big wins representing Kansas against other states. There are two basic reasons that I've had Ornelas ranked above him. One is that the two losses that Ornelas has were at 112. The other reason is, the last time they wrestled each other at the Park Hill Duals, Ornelas controlled and won the match. Can Jeff beat Kenneth on a given day? Absolutely. It's just at this point the criteria points to the current ranking. If anyone has more input, I would be glad to reconsider.

Jake Zahm has a win over both Cameron Jesseph and Seth Mertins this year.

Well Chief, possibly I'll have some input for you on Friday evening. Two basically 1 point losses to Vesta this year, and now a potential semi-final match-up with Ornelas. If you can wait that long, I'll give you a firsthand opinion!

Perfect Tim. I knew those battles were ahead. Good luck to Taylor!

Thanks! I was just wanting to know your reasoning. Who is his other loss to?

Revised:

103:
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 11 - CH
2. Isaac Ruiz - 10 - JC
3. Jeff Vesta - 11 - MN
4. Blaine Smith - 10 - SS
5. Roger Windham - 11 - DB
6. Dylan Penka - 9 - BC
7. Taylor Moeder - 9 - CB
8. Darin Stroot - 12 - AN
9. Adrian Salas - 10 - LB
10. Caleb Seaton - 9 - BS

112:
1. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE
2. Daniel DeShazer - 9 - WH
3. Alan Callahan - 11- BAL
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 9 - BVN
5. Jake Gentzler - 9 - AC
6. Symon Seaton - 9 - BL
7. Logan Singular - 10 - CC

119: (Toughest weight to rank!)
1. Jordan Keller - 12 - BC
2. Chase Nitcher - 10 - VC
3. Ryne Cokeley - 9 - SJ
4. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH
5. Sharky Slyter - 11 - PA
6. Colin Hase - 12 - SL
7. Jesse Barber - 12 - DC
8. Parker Madl - 10 - BV
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC

125:
1. John Keller - 12 - BC
2. Nathan McCormick - 12 - BVN
3. Trent Cox - 11 - AN
4. Colt Rogers - 10 - SC
5. Bryce Hood - 10 - LB
6. Sal Tovar - 11 - EP
7. Aaron Hoag - 12

130:
1. Kendrick Maple - 11 - WH
2. Jake Tanenbaum - 12 - BVN
3. Matt Noblet - 12 - PA
4. Kevin Callahan - 12 - BAL
5. Trison Graham - 12 - AC
7. Cameron Jesseph - 11 - CH
8. Seth Mertins - 12 - VC
9. Tim Dunham - 12 - AC

135:
1. CJ Napier - 11 - CO
2. Chase Nelson - 11 - WH
3. Mitchell Means - 11 - GD
4. Tony Livengood - 12 - BVN
5. Cade Blair - 10 - VC
6. Colby Crank - 11 - HT
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - PH

140:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 11 - GD
2. Phillip Henes - 12 - STA
3. Aldon Isenberg - 12 - GE
4. A.J. Stephens - 12 - GL
5. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE
6. Michael Arellano - 12 - GC
7. Joey Lutz - 12 - SME
8. Russell Naylor - 11 - SH
9. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC

145:
1. Mitch Arnold - 12 - BC
2. Ryan Houlden - 11 - GD
3. Steven Miller - 12 - MN
4. Darrell Melcher - 12 - HE
5. Aaron Arb - 12 - LC
6. Nathan Sommer - 11 - PV
7. Jordan Noll - 12 - ACC
8. John Howell - 12 - KMC
9. Todd Curtis - 10 - GE

152: This is one tough weight!
1. Pete Tapia - 12 - WI
2. Kyle Detmer - 11 - BC
3. Brent Fisher - 12 - GD
4. Chris Watson - 11 - ANC
5. Nick Flynn - 12 - LG
6. Jordan Meyer - 12 - SA
7. Justin Ringgold - 12 - WNW

160:
1. Sam Thoman - 12 - AN
2. Brandon Bonewell - 12 - GD
3. Marvio Tischauser - 12 - AB
4. Ben Davis - 12 - CC
5. Cody Reinhart - 12 - DB
6. Tyler Rosenhamer - 12 - BC
7. Jordan Brown - 11 - PT
8. Greg Curtis - 11 - GE

171:
1. Scott Elliott - 12 - AC
2. Boaz Beard - 11 - GD
3. Tyler Koehn - 12 - PT
4. Blake Willman - 12 - CC
5. CJ Randall - 12 - PV (My apologies to CJ. My mistake to leave him off all year).
6. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB
7. Phil Witt - 12 - LV

189:
1. Romero Cotton - 12 - HT
2. Blake Long - 12 - DB
3. Matt Baker - 12 - SME
4. Ryan Patterson - 12 - GP
5. Mark Kolmer - 10 - EMP
6. Alex Rupnick - 12 - RV
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC
8. Jace Banner - 10 - GC
9. Nate Davis - 12 - LB
10. Clinton Bruce - 12 - AC

215: (Wow, we have some of the finest 215's in any state).
1. Joe Bach - 12 - LB
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EW
3. Kyle Caylor - 10 - WNW
4. Kody Page - 12 - WEL
5. Aaron Racette - 12 - OA
6. Nick Kriss - 12 - COL
7. Jake Kober - 12 - SFT
8. Tyler Downs - 12 - DB


285: To be announced...
1. Atticus Disney - 12 - SH
2. Duane Zlatnik - 12 - RS
3. Alex Hackathorn - 12 - PL
4. Bobby Doxon - 12 - GL
5. Woody Roberts - 12 - RV
6. Brock Heithaus - 10 - WNW
7. BJ Finney - 10 - AN

Aaron Hoag and Sal Tovar both beat Connor McCarthey at state this last weekend.

I find it funny that you moved Ruiz in front of Vesta because Vesta is 8-1 against him in the last two years and lost last night on a very questionable call. I understand that you put him in front of him if this was their first meeting meeting but Ornelas lost twice this year and you didn't move him.

Ornelas lost twice at 112 and is a State Champion at 103. Vesta, along with Detmer and Isenberg own victories over the wrestler that beat them this weekend. The last meeting, especially on the biggest stage, carries the most weight.

who cares about rankings. if your not number 1 your just the first loser or the 2nd loser. does it matter that much. anyone of those guys can beat each other on any given day. so if your not first your just last.

It is true that on any given day, many of those in the top ten can win the bracket. However, if you end up second on that day, one position you are NOT is last.

I think that you need to add Jace Banner to the list at 189. He already beat Nate Davis of Liberal. The score was 6-6 with Long before being dq. Tough tough kid.

FINAL 2007-08 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS

103:
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 11 - CH
2. Isaac Ruiz - 10 - JC
3. Jeff Vesta - 11 - MN
4. Blaine Smith - 10 - SS
5. Roger Windham - 11 - DB
6. Dylan Penka - 9 - BC
7. Taylor Moeder - 9 - CB
8. Darin Stroot - 12 - AN
9. Adrian Salas - 10 - LB
10. Caleb Seaton - 9 - BS

112:
1. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE
2. Daniel DeShazer - 9 - WH
3. Alan Callahan - 11- BAL
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 9 - BVN
5. Jake Gentzler - 9 - AC
6. Symon Seaton - 9 - BL
7. Logan Singular - 10 - CC

119: (Toughest weight to rank!)
1. Jordan Keller - 12 - BC
2. Chase Nitcher - 10 - VC
3. Ryne Cokeley - 9 - SJ
4. Sharky Slyter - 11 - PA
5. Colin Hase - 12 - SL
6. Jesse Barber - 12 - DC
7. Parker Madl - 10 - BV
8. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC

125:
1. John Keller - 12 - BC
2. Nathan McCormick - 12 - BVN
3. Trent Cox - 11 - AN
4. Colt Rogers - 10 - SC
5. Sal Tovar - 11 - EP
6. Bryce Hood - 10 - LB
7. Aaron Hoag - 11 - AC
8. Connor McCarthy - 12 - STA

130:
1. Kendrick Maple - 11 - WH
2. Jake Tanenbaum - 12 - BVN
3. Matt Noblet - 12 - PA
4. Kevin Callahan - 12 - BAL
5. Trison Graham - 12 - AC
7. Cameron Jesseph - 11 - CH
8. Seth Mertins - 12 - VC
9. Tim Dunham - 12 - AC

135:
1. CJ Napier - 11 - CO
2. Chase Nelson - 11 - WH
3. Mitchell Means - 11 - GD
4. Tony Livengood - 12 - BVN
5. Cade Blair - 10 - VC
6. Colby Crank - 11 - HT
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 11 - PH

140:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 11 - GD
2. Phillip Henes - 12 - STA
3. Aldon Isenberg - 12 - GE
4. A.J. Stephens - 12 - GL
5. Cas Spangler - 11 - BE
6. Michael Arellano - 12 - GC
7. Joey Lutz - 12 - SME
8. Russell Naylor - 11 - SH
9. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC

145:
1. Mitch Arnold - 12 - BC
2. Ryan Houlden - 11 - GD
3. Steven Miller - 12 - MN
4. Darrell Melcher - 12 - HE
5. Aaron Arb - 12 - LC
6. Nathan Sommer - 11 - PV
7. Jordan Noll - 12 - ACC
8. John Howell - 12 - KMC
9. Todd Curtis - 10 - GE

152: This is one tough weight!
1. Pete Tapia - 12 - WI
2. Kyle Detmer - 11 - BC
3. Brent Fisher - 12 - GD
4. Chris Watson - 11 - ANC
5. Nick Flynn - 12 - LG
6. Jordan Meyer - 12 - SA
7. Justin Ringgold - 12 - WNW

160:
1. Sam Thoman - 12 - AN
2. Brandon Bonewell - 12 - GD
3. Marvio Tischauser - 12 - AB
4. Ben Davis - 12 - CC
5. Cody Reinhart - 12 - DB
6. Tyler Rosenhamer - 12 - BC
7. Jordan Brown - 11 - PT

171:
1. Scott Elliott - 12 - AC
2. Boaz Beard - 11 - GD
3. Tyler Koehn - 12 - PT
4. Blake Willman - 12 - CC
5. CJ Randall - 12 - PV (My apologies to CJ. My mistake to leave him off all year).
6. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB
7. Phil Witt - 12 - LV

189:
1. Romero Cotton - 12 - HT
2. Blake Long - 12 - DB
3. Matt Baker - 12 - SME
4. Ryan Patterson - 12 - GP
5. Mark Kolmer - 10 - EMP
6. Alex Rupnick - 12 - RV
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC
8. Jace Banner - 10 - GC
9. Nate Davis - 12 - LB
10. Clinton Bruce - 12 - AC

215: (Wow, we have some of the finest 215's in any state).
1. Joe Bach - 12 - LB
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EW
3. Kyle Caylor - 10 - WNW
4. Kody Page - 12 - WEL
5. Aaron Racette - 12 - OA
6. Nick Kriss - 12 - COL
7. Jake Kober - 12 - SFT
8. Tyler Downs - 12 - DB


285: To be announced...
1. Atticus Disney - 12 - SH
2. Duane Zlatnik - 12 - RS
3. Alex Hackathorn - 12 - PL
4. Bobby Doxon - 12 - GL
5. Woody Roberts - 12 - RV
6. Brock Heithaus - 10 - WNW
7. BJ Finney - 10 - AN

Should Breck Arnberger of Colby be considered for the list at 160? He placed 4th at State in 4A with an 8-7 loss to Thoman in the semifinals and a 3-1 loss to Davis in the consolation finals. He also beat Curtis at the Newton Tourney and placed above Rosenhamer at Newton as well. He struggled a little at regionals, but came through and proved himself at state. Just a thought?

haha ik it dont mean much but i'm a jr. (dustin zahorsky phillipsburg 135)

Breck had a great State tournament beating Hambleton twice and Holland also. Was that his only match with Curtis? His 12 losses shows everybody how tough of a schedule Colby wrestled.

After this weekend I think at 112 Gentzler should be above Callahan and at 119 I think Sparr should be above Slyter.

There are some tough calls Curtis. I have tried to be consistent with what I call the "Ruiz" rule. When Isaac beat Vesta in the 6A final, he moved up in spite of being 1-8 against Jeff. When they don't meet head to head, the season long body of work takes precedence. That is the main reason for Callahan staying highly ranked. Granted, that reasoning falls apart when I disregard the Ruiz rule and keep Sharky above Sparr. What weighed heavily in my decision was that Cokeley could not beat Sharky or Callahan 15-5. Another thing that was grinding on me was staring at Sharky and Hase at #5 and #6. Sharky is 2-0 against Hase and I just couldn't see ranking them that low. I understand that Sharky beat Cokeley last week 8-5, but a State Championship carries criteria weight also. You will notice that I applied the Ruiz rule at 140 and 152.

Well then you're wrong and you're fired!!!

I know what you're saying. Those are about the only 2 disagreements I have with you in the rankings, which is pretty impressive since there are 14 weight classes and several solid kids at each one.