Barry,

I've posted my final All-Class rankings. These rankings are listed on the Wrestling USA Magazine website. This OW conversation is unrelated to this thread topic. I won't be changing any of the AC rankings as the season is completed. I expect to update this thread after December 1st, when we return to the HS mats next season. I say keep the thread open, but let's move off of it for ongoing posts.

Mr. Disney’s post makes way to much sense (as he always does). Let’s take a break from speculating in these multiple directions about who is better than whom. The high school state tournament has determined who placed in what order in there respective class. Praise should be given to all of these young men for there courage to compete and the results that they accomplished. I would like to congratulate all champions – placers – qualifiers of the high school state wrestling tournaments. The athletes have sorted out who was better on that particular weekend.

I would be more interested in knowing the accuracy of the rankings in each class compared to the final results. So much time has been spent discussing and ranking of the wrestlers lets find out how close the rankings were to the final results.

I would like to give thanks to the adults that consistently post positive intelligent comments to this forum (as I stated in the past). These adults’ time and dedication is a piece of what makes Kansas wrestling so awesome. These same people also give me something to read everyday about the sport we all love. A few adults to give a season’s ending thanks for there post from me would be – Disney, Chief, Cokeley, Beeson, Randy & Richard. I’m sure I forgot many others; these are the ones that are in my mind right now.

I do wish Richard would alter his auto signature. Richard does post some great information but to somebody who doesn’t know him the statement makes him look very ugly (not in a physical way).

Great sport, Great website, Great forum and Great Kansas wrestlers. Thanks for an Awesome season and congratulations to “ALL”.

I always appreciate Chewie's comments. Also, Curtis always has good stuff to say/share.

Nice post dwelsh. My wife makes similar accusations about my time of the forum.

Eric - I shouldn't have said "take the post down". I really meant lets go on to something else.

Seems like the true issue is that we all hate to see the high school season come to an end.

Good point Mr. Disney.

And, it seems like we had more discussion about individual matches when we could watch the finals of 4,5,6a ALL at one place. . . Hard to comment on a match you couldn't even see because unlike God, we cannot be all places at once . . .

I'm still bewildered at the fact that people don't consider Graham an outstanding wrestler... come-on? 4x state champ. by the way, there is no doubt that Graham would place in the top 3 at any of the other classes (if not first) - a known/proven fact, Graham knows how to win when it counts and has always done so!!

I'll think we'll (at least its started that way) come to see that quality in Cokeley (avenging several losses during the season and winning when it counts)

IN RESPONSE TO BIG DAWG I WROTE:




I need to go on record to clarify a couple of things. Apparently there is some rumor that there is a "rift" between the Cokeleys and Slyters. ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE! Only Sharky, Mark, and Clint were more disappointed that Sharky was upset in the semis than Ryne and I. Did Ryne want to wrestle Sharky because he thought he would beat him? NO! He wanted Sharky to be in the finals because both of them have worked hard to get to the top. The key reason that I stated "Ryne is up to Sharky" is Mark Slyter. He has worked many, many hours with Ryne. He has driven Ryne to tournaments that I couldn't go to and coached him just like he was his own son. Is it tough when they wrestle each other? ABSOLUTELY! Every dad wants his son to win but when you have worked hard to help another kid they sort of become a second son to you. Sharky is THE BEST wrestler on his feet in the state, NO ARGUMENT! Sharky and Ryne have battled and Sharky owns the advantage. There is no rift and these two wrestlers will continue to work together to get better. Hopefully Ryne has grown enough that they will not be battling each other for the top spot ever again.

I whole-heartedly agree with Disney as there really is no need to determine who is the best. One can always speculate in their mind as to whom is the best overall in the state for that year and particular weight but it is merely that-speculation as KSHSAA has it set up that there are 4 classes and thus 4 CHAMPIONS !

We as fans and really on a selfish level or at the very least for curiosity sake would like to have that determined and I have seen on here people post about consolidating the classes and being compared to California or other States where there is one true champion and All schools regardless of size/class eventually meet up. Here in Kansas, as far as wrestling goes-many of the smaller schools WOULD measure up and be able to go toe to toe with the big schools and we have several small school wrestlers that are likely the best in the state each and every year <but again speculation>. But on the other hand, it would handicap many schools that dont have the resources of the big schools and in sports such as football and basketball, the larger schools would win out more often as simply they draw from a bigger talent pool=strength in numbers... but us wrestlers are a different breed and I think it it is tremendous that western Kansas kids from areas such as Oakley, Stockton, Norton, Ulysses, Phillipsburg, Clay Center etc are capable of being mentioned as the best. Can we say tough as nails rural kansas farm boys?

But, we must be careful of what we wish for. Why, you ask. Because it simply is about the kids and really it is better to have 4 champions. This is the case(separate class champions) in say 1A Boys Basketball, 2A Girls 300 Meter Hurdles, 3A Softball, 4A Football. Why because we are selfish and want to see for our self who is the very best in wrestling, have only 1 champion and a total of 6 placers <rather than 4X6> take away from 18 other state placers in each weight. These kids that put in the work can all say for the rest of their lives that they are a state placer and will walk away from this great sport with a well deserved reward for their work that as stated above would be the case in other sports so why take it away from them and push KSHSAA to determine only 1 true champ and 6 placers in WRESTLING. I was at first envious when Kansas went to 6 places rather than 4 as was the case when I was in HS but as I grew up and thought about it--I thought you know what ? that this is what is best for the kids and that is what we all want . >>>>> RIGHT ?

FINAL 2007-08 ALL-CLASS RANKINGS

103:
1. Kenneth Ornelas - 11 - CH
2. Isaac Ruiz - 10 - JC
3. Jeff Vesta - 11 - MN
4. Blaine Smith - 10 - SS
5. Roger Windham - 11 - DB
6. Dylan Penka - 9 - BC
7. Taylor Moeder - 9 - CB
8. Darin Stroot - 12 - AN
9. Adrian Salas - 10 - LB
10. Caleb Seaton - 9 - BS

112:
1. Tyler Stokes - 11 - GE
2. Daniel DeShazer - 9 - WH
3. Alan Callahan - 11- BAL
4. Zach Tanenbaum - 9 - BVN
5. Jake Gentzler - 9 - AC
6. Symon Seaton - 9 - BL
7. Logan Singular - 10 - CC

119: (Toughest weight to rank!)
1. Jordan Keller - 12 - BC
2. Chase Nitcher - 10 - VC
3. Ryne Cokeley - 9 - SJ
4. Sharky Slyter - 11 - PA
5. Colin Hase - 12 - SL
6. Jesse Barber - 12 - DC
7. Parker Madl - 10 - BV
8. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH
9. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC

125:
1. John Keller - 12 - BC
2. Nathan McCormick - 12 - BVN
3. Trent Cox - 11 - AN
4. Colt Rogers - 10 - SC
5. Sal Tovar - 11 - EP
6. Bryce Hood - 10 - LB
7. Aaron Hoag - 11 - AC
8. Connor McCarthy - 12 - STA

130:
1. Kendrick Maple - 11 - WH
2. Jake Tanenbaum - 12 - BVN
3. Matt Noblet - 12 - PA
4. Kevin Callahan - 12 - BAL
5. Trison Graham - 12 - AC
7. Cameron Jesseph - 11 - CH
8. Seth Mertins - 12 - VC
9. Tim Dunham - 12 - AC

135:
1. CJ Napier - 11 - CO
2. Chase Nelson - 11 - WH
3. Mitchell Means - 11 - GD
4. Tony Livengood - 12 - BVN
5. Cade Blair - 10 - VC
6. Colby Crank - 11 - HT
7. Dustin Zahorsky - 11 - PH

140:
1. Tyler Caldwell - 11 - GD
2. Phillip Henes - 12 - STA
3. Aldon Isenberg - 12 - GE
4. A.J. Stephens - 12 - GL
5. Cas Spangler - 11 - BE
6. Michael Arellano - 12 - GC
7. Joey Lutz - 12 - SME
8. Russell Naylor - 11 - SH
9. Trevor Rempe - 12 - SC

145:
1. Mitch Arnold - 12 - BC
2. Ryan Houlden - 11 - GD
3. Steven Miller - 12 - MN
4. Darrell Melcher - 12 - HE
5. Aaron Arb - 12 - LC
6. Nathan Sommer - 11 - PV
7. Jordan Noll - 12 - ACC
8. John Howell - 12 - KMC
9. Todd Curtis - 10 - GE

152: This is one tough weight!
1. Pete Tapia - 12 - WI
2. Kyle Detmer - 11 - BC
3. Brent Fisher - 12 - GD
4. Chris Watson - 11 - ANC
5. Nick Flynn - 12 - LG
6. Jordan Meyer - 12 - SA
7. Justin Ringgold - 12 - WNW

160:
1. Sam Thoman - 12 - AN
2. Brandon Bonewell - 12 - GD
3. Marvio Tischauser - 12 - AB
4. Ben Davis - 12 - CC
5. Cody Reinhart - 12 - DB
6. Tyler Rosenhamer - 12 - BC
7. Jordan Brown - 11 - PT

171:
1. Scott Elliott - 12 - AC
2. Boaz Beard - 11 - GD
3. Tyler Koehn - 12 - PT
4. Blake Willman - 12 - CC
5. CJ Randall - 12 - PV (My apologies to CJ. My mistake to leave him off all year).
6. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB
7. Phil Witt - 12 - LV

189:
1. Romero Cotton - 12 - HT
2. Blake Long - 12 - DB
3. Matt Baker - 12 - SME
4. Ryan Patterson - 12 - GP
5. Mark Kolmer - 10 - EMP
6. Alex Rupnick - 12 - RV
7. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC
8. Jace Banner - 10 - GC
9. Nate Davis - 12 - LB
10. Clinton Bruce - 12 - AC

215: (Wow, we have some of the finest 215's in any state).
1. Joe Bach - 12 - LB
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EW
3. Kyle Caylor - 10 - WNW
4. Kody Page - 12 - WEL
5. Aaron Racette - 12 - OA
6. Nick Kriss - 12 - COL
7. Jake Kober - 12 - SFT
8. Tyler Downs - 12 - DB


285: To be announced...
1. Atticus Disney - 12 - SH
2. Duane Zlatnik - 12 - RS
3. Alex Hackathorn - 12 - PL
4. Bobby Doxon - 12 - GL
5. Woody Roberts - 12 - RV
6. Brock Heithaus - 10 - WNW
7. BJ Finney - 10 - AN

The Chief, it appears, was exactly correct on nine of his 84 projections from the first of the season (I only reviewed the top 6 from both polls.) Additionally he project 39 wrestlers to be in the top 6 who finished in the top 6. Some of them were in different weight classes but I gave him credit for those. 160 ended up being the most difficult as he only projected one wrestler to finish in the top six that actually finished in the top 6. 48/84... Good job Chief!

Using the Chiefs final all class ranking of 114 kids

59% of the ranked 114 kids came from 5A and 6A or 64 schools

41% of the ranked 114 kids came from 1A,2A,3A, & 4A Schools
I think there are at least 128 schools - I did not count all the 1,2,3A schools that have wrestling - I think there are 64 in 4A - just an observation.

11 of the 14 - number 1 ranked kids were from 5A or 6A.
22 of the 28 - number 1 & 2 ranked kids were from 5A or 6A

If 5A and 6A classes were combined it would be one fun state tournament to watch. Based on these numbers I would not say
5A and 6A are weak - they just do not have as many schools.
Each school still only has 14 varsity spots.


5A or 1A,2A,3A Total # Chief
6A or 4A Rank
103 6 4 10
112 6 1 7
119 4 5 9
125 6 2 8
130 5 4 9
135 5 2 7
140 5 4 9
145 5 4 9
152 5 2 7
160 4 3 7
171 4 3 7
189 7 3 10
215 3 5 8
HWT 2 5 7
Totals 67 59% 47 41% 114 100%

Percent
of Totals 59% 41% 100%

A mere 137 days till the first All-Class ranking of 08-09!

who will be Derby and Maize's state placers next year?

Derby:

Windham
Reinhart
McCombs
Shavlik
Feldkamp
Westmoreland

Maize:

Zinabu
Fulbright

?-103
windham- 112
reinhart-119
mcombs-125
shavlik-130
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someone help me out here


who is maizes 3 pounder

I had heard that Chase Locke will be Maize's incoming 103. I would expect Shavlik at 135.

ok so maizes 3 will be chase locke he is pretty solid, if thats maizes 3 pounder who will derby's 3 be? windham will not be making that weight next year as a sophmore

I don't know his grade, weight or intended HS, but Brady Heincker was the State Champion at 14/100 for Derby Kids club and he beat Chase Locke in the finals.

oh yeah. he is going too be a freshman , i thought he wrestled for the brawlers?

He's listed as Derby on the bracket.