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These are the state results from 2001. Most of these kids are in high school now. I have highlighted this year's high school state placers.
8 & Under 40 1st Robert Rhea Wichita East 2nd Zac Gentzler Augusta 3rd Tyler Brown Osawatomie 4th Clay Mulligan Scott City 5th Jaysten McClure Hugoton 6th Javier Vieyra Salina 43 1st Ulyesses Deshazer TOHK 2nd Tyler Andres WWC 3rd Ben Sollars WWC 4th Caleb Seaton Bonner Springs 5th Jase Depperschmidt Colby 6th Zachary Lee Clay County 46 1st Tyler Dryden WWC 2nd Symon Seaton Bonner Springs 3rd Jamon Cotton Hutchinson 4th Eli Sherwood Wakeeney 5th Errin Munsch WWC 6th Coulter Croft Gray Co. 49 1st Daniel Deshazer TOHK 2nd Taylor Moeder Colby 3rd Tre' Humphrey Tomahawk Creek 4th Tyler Trahoon Emporia 5th Chase Locke Maize 6th Reis Humphrey Tomahawk Creek 52 1st Chad Macy Andover 2nd Skyler McComb WWC 3rd Tyler Stanbro Tomahawk Creek 4th Caleb Crosier Liberal 5th Jake Schridde Great Bend 6th Jason Harper Haysville 55 1st Blaine Smith Salina 2nd Kale Newell Beloit 3rd Nicolas Schwager Great Bend 4th Dalton Davis SW Grapplers 5th John Mehl Kaw Valley Kids 6th Rubin Sherwood Wakeeney 58 1st Dominque Reed TOHK 2nd Jacob Gaul Maize 3rd Nathen Kozlowski Geary Co. 4th Tyler Anderson Clay County 5th Nicholas Dickson Ark City 6th Derek Schnittker Hugoton 61 1st Wesley Salyer WWC 2nd Andrew Laib Emporia 3rd Cody Pack S.E.K. 4th Jace Campbell Oakley 5th Cameron Shutt Derby 6th Matthew White SW Grapplers 64 1st Marshall Dickson Ark City 2nd Cody Shavlik Derby 3rd Drake Houdashelt Andover 4th Clay Andersen Oberlin 5th Aaron Morgan Geary Co. 6th Tad Parsons Oakley 67 1st Cade Blair Valley Center 2nd Tucker Chadd Maize 3rd Kash Biddle Winfield 4th Kenny Cummings Andover 5th Landon Hamel Norton 6th Cody Hill Hugoton 70 1st Chase Nitcher Valley Center 2nd Nathan Deeds Goodland 3rd Tyler Roth Topeka Tornado 4th Ethan Stickel Colby 5th Chance Sinclair Osawatomie 6th Dylan Hagerman Mulvane 73 1st Demetrius Reed TOHK 2nd Bradon Long Ellis 3rd Morgan Numrich Scott City 4th Patrick Yoder Team Lightning 5th Cameron Brandon Wolf Pack 6th Derek Krier Salina 76 1st Rhett Flood Independence 2nd Bart Ginther Atwood 3rd Tyler Cook Norton 4th Chase Copeland Salina 5th Marquel Jones Wyandotte County 6th Colt Johnson Garden City 80 1st Dalton Beard Valley Center 2nd Gage Roberts El Dorado 3rd Colton Gentry Rossville 4th Tanner Graf Jr. Vikings 5th Tyson Anderson McPherson (MAC) 6th Cody Huffman Mulvane 88 1st Brett Dunlap Hiawatha 2nd Caleb Gifford Hugoton 3rd Josh Hicks Carrol 4th Benny Armstrong Goddard 5th Timmy Chadd Maize 6th Gavin Miller Rice Co. 95 1st Jace Banner SW Grapplers 2nd TJ Lowe Piper 3rd Kyle Caylor Clearwater 4th Josh Zamecnik Kansas Pride 5th Levi Crick Gray Co. 6th William Bennett Independence 110 1st BJ Finney Clearwater 2nd Jon Eickenberg Osborne Co. 3rd Oliver Venequs Olathe North 4th Parker Broadfoot Hesston 5th Ernest Fernandez III Dodge City 6th Dylan Matheny Augusta 125 1st Lorenzo Serna Emporia 2nd Brandon Eck Haysville 3rd Dillon Salmans Hoxie 4th Shane Creason Stranger Creek 5th Aaron VonLintel Hutchinson 6th Dakota Saiz Wichita South
52 1st Taylor Dwyer Parsons 2nd Jack Wenzel Goddard 3rd Westin Shay Paola 4th Zach Sparr Clearwater 5th Chaz Lawrence Olathe North 6th Ty Concannon Hugoton 55 1st Sharky Slyter Paola 2nd Clayton Birkle Andover 3rd Colt Rogers Smith Co. 4th Cody Silva Bonner Springs 5th Stephen Santiago WWC 6th Jeffery Vesta Jr. Manhattan 58 1st Rowan Messner Andover 2nd Lance Maldonado Geary Co. 3rd Darin Stroot Maize 4th Ryan Macy Andover 5th Tyler Davis McPherson (MAC) 6th Dan MacClymont Olathe North 61 1st Collin Hase Silver Lake 2nd Dennis Wood III Pleasant Ridge 3rd Trent Cox Haysville 4th Kendric Maple Hutchinson 5th Cale Demel El Dorado 6th Dakota Thornton Manhattan 64 1st John Keller Maize 2nd Wayne Riggins Augusta 3rd Kalem Bennett Topeka Tornado 4th Nick Peterson Abilene 5th Trison Graham Ark City 6th Tim Dunham Maize 67 1st Jordan Keller Maize 2nd Michael Arellano SW Grapplers 3rd Cole Zoglman Goddard 4th Brandon Sokol Salina 5th Aaron Hoag Ark City 6th Lucas Wagner Manhattan 70 1st Jon Woodbridge Salina 2nd Jacob Zahm Columbus 3rd CJ Napier Columbus 4th Hunter Olson Colby 5th Taylor Stevenson Winfield 6th Brook Biswell Topeka Terminators 73 1st Ty Caldwell Valley Center 2nd Travis Rempe Smith Co. 3rd Kyle Detmer Maize 4th Dylan Mumaw Team Tigers 5th Tyler Koehn Pittsburg 6th Cameron Renfro Rossville 76 1st Jimmy Hubbard-Stults Valley Center 2nd Brent Fisher Maize 3rd Matthew Meinert Pleasant Ridge 4th A.J. Stephens Goodland 5th Levi Kiser Phillipsburg 6th Jacob Bierbrodt Altamont 79 1st Colton Snook Douglass 2nd Zachary White SW Grapplers 3rd Phillip Henes STA 4th Ryan Brown Liberal 5th Jeremy Kees Linn County 6th Lucas Munoz Ellsworth 82 1st Travis Budke Hays 2nd Christopher Cody Augusta 3rd Ryan Patterson Independence 4th Phil Burlington Goodland 5th Tanner Kriss Colby 6th Sam Thoman Maize 85 1st Derek Heckel SW Grapplers 2nd Joe Pace Ft. Leavenworth 3rd Brent Romig East Kansas 4th Blake Mayes Beloit 5th Daniel Overstake Hutchinson 6th Dallas Elliott Goddard 90 1st Jared Hensley Rose Hill 2nd Romero Cotton Hutchinson 3rd Derek Graves Rossville 4th Adam Davey Jr. Vikings 5th Colby Crank Team Lightning 6th Brenton Daniel Rose Hill 95 1st Marvio Tischhauser Salina 2nd Scott Elliott Rose Hill 3rd Travis Adcox Tonganoxie 4th Chaston Hoeme Scott City 5th Ryan Robertson East Kansas 6th Ryan Swatzell Phillipsburg 100 1st Dustin Moses Maize 2nd Joel Marrs Clay County 3rd Tyler Kuhn Maize 4th Kolten Cook Hoisington 5th CJ Randall Linn County 6th Zachary Wood Phillipsburg 110 1st Ryan Garrett Team Lightning 2nd Boaz Beard Valley Center 3rd Gabriel Mason Baldwin 4th EJ Walter STA 5th Justin Wilmas WWC 6th Austin Warren Linn County 120 1st Ian Hoshaw Augusta 2nd Kirk Palmer Smith Co. 3rd Joey Hambleton Parsons 4th Dylan Bowman Wellington 5th Kyle Jones Douglass 6th Steven Kyler Ellsworth 130 1st Joshua Rodriguez Emporia 2nd Atticus Disney WWC 3rd Jake Kober Trail Hands 4th Michael Patenaude Clay County 5th Dallas Butts Ft. Leavenworth 6th Tyler Downs Derby 150 1st Duane Zlatnik Rossville 2nd Alex Hackathorn Kaw Valley Kids 3rd Paul Kilgore Bluestem 4th Spencer Hilley Clearwater 5th Matthew Haberman Great Bend 6th Shannon Bird Hoxie 170 1st Cody Klien Atwood 2nd Megan Tesar Linn County 3rd Logan Pegram Silver Lake 4th Shawn Moody Altamont 5th Tyson Self Wichita East 6th Jarred Vega Winfield
The point is that you will see many, many names who did not place in HS state this year and most likely didn't even wrestle. They quit and we need to figure out why and keep these kids interested.
Will Cokeley (708)267-6615 willcokeley@gmail.com
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02/29/08 06:04 PM
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Braden Eck (Haysville)did not place at State wrestling, he played basketball this year and Jason Harper (Haysville) did place at State wrestling.
Just a correction!
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02/29/08 08:41 PM
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You missed a few:
1st Taylor Dwyer Parsons 6th Dylan Matheny Augusta 5th Stephen Santiago WWC 5th Tyler Davis McPherson (MAC) 3rd Ryan Patterson Independence 1st Joshua Rodriguez Emporia
I'm sure I missed some also!
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02/29/08 08:58 PM
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There are several that were missed........
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02/29/08 10:52 PM
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I didn't say that I got them all, I don't have that kind of free time on my hands! My point was there are numerous names that I have never heard before because they quit.
Will Cokeley (708)267-6615 willcokeley@gmail.com
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02/29/08 11:15 PM
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I know of several who use to do very well, state placers, that are not wrestling now and I understand the point you are making. Another thing that I think is interesting is how many of this years state placers DID NOT place in kids wrestling.
The point being....in the long run, does it really matter if you place at kids state when you are 8U, 10U??? or is it more important to just have fun and enjoy the sport with the ultimate goal of improving from year to year.
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03/01/08 12:01 AM
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I would be curious to see the list with all placers because a few that stand out of the top that weren't highlighted are dalton davis brett dunlap travis rempe kirk palmer michael patenaude
and then you have ones (non-placers) such as matt meinert-pleasant ridge
But --still curious to see what the percentage of hs state placers/qualifiers who were on above list of kids state placers ! >prior affiliation with kids federation< I would venture to guess at least 65-70 %
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03/01/08 02:47 AM
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Mom4 hit my other point on the head! I believe that kids who win at 8, 10, and 12 usually win on talent alone. When they get older and start losing and have to work hard they give up the sport. Those who have fun and wrestle because they love it not because they win eventually start winning.
Will Cokeley (708)267-6615 willcokeley@gmail.com
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03/01/08 03:52 AM
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Will, first if we had more supporters like you that keep the pulse of wrestling alive in your state and your community than that would greatly help the sport. You did miss a few and a few more are 8th graders right now. The topic is awesome though. There are a few that I used to take with me to tournaments and with time their parents have separated or moved away and that wasn’t the kid or the sports fault. At least one is injured right now but still wrestling. Wrestling is a tough sport mentally and physically. My son took a few years off to play basketball. I thought if he liked wrestling then he would come back to the sport. Having fun is very important. Letting the athlete make there on decision is important. It is great to look back. This year that you selected my son just happened to make the All Star Team for the World of Wrestling, along with other Kansas wrestlers in almost every age group. My son also has never been to one Freestyle or Greco practice because when it's baseball season that's what he chooses to complete in. (That was a fun year) http://www.worldofwrestling-roller.com/allstar01/allu8-01.htmlI love wrestling more than any sport but have still supported the idea of letting him do whatever sport he would like to try. Will, keep up the good work to promote the sport of wrestling. I wish I lived closer to your area. I hear so much about your "wrestling barn" no doubt we would visit.
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03/04/08 04:25 PM
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Mom4 hit my other point on the head! I believe that kids who win at 8, 10, and 12 usually win on talent alone. When they get older and start losing and have to work hard they give up the sport. Those who have fun and wrestle because they love it not because they win eventually start winning. So Cokeley, are you saying that 8, 10 & 12 year olds don't work hard until they are older and HAVE TO, then they quit? That they have not been taught any work ethic at such a young age? Please tell me I read your post wrong? How dare you say that my 8 year old doesn't work hard! You should come to one of my son's practices and watch these kids work their butts off. We do not offer a glorified babysitting service where we play tiddly winks for 1.5-2 hours a night. These kids WORK from the minute they get there until they leave. Don't disrespect these kids that give 110% because they are below the high school level. What kind of example are we setting if we say, "now Tommy don't worry about working hard in school, you only HAVE TO when you get to high school." We set the foundation for how our kids act and apply themselves when they are young. If they get no discipline/direction when they are younger, by the time they get to the high school level there isn't a whole lot we can do for them and a lot of them turn out to be NOT SUCH QUALITY MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. If I am way off the mark here with what you were trying to say, then I apoligize. If I'm right - I feel sorry for the kids under your direction. Mike's Mom
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03/04/08 05:09 PM
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I believe you are way off the mark. What I think Will is trying to say is that we need to help our kids understand that they are not going to win every match and that they need to continue working hard, because it does get harder as they get older and those kids who lost at a younger age will catch up and start winning. We need to help our kids understand that they should learn from a loss instead of giving up because they have to work a little harder then when they were younger. I don't believe Will is being malicious in any way. If you have ever met him, you would know that he is very compassionate about this sport and the all the kids who wrestle in it.
Ginny Wagh KCWC in Maryland
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Mike's Mom,
In no way did I say that younger kids don't work hard. The point is that many kids who are younger win on talent and don't have to work hard. When you get older, no matter how much talent you have, you MUST work hard. Some kids don't like to work hard. I know that many younger kids work hard but I sincerely hope you don't have them working as hard as a high school wrestler. Everything you said is good but you better be letting them have lots of FUN too. You can't coach and teach desire into these kids. If you are trying to you are going to alienate yourself from them eventually.
Will Cokeley (708)267-6615 willcokeley@gmail.com
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03/04/08 06:52 PM
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Just Curious....How long do other clubs have practices and how many days a week??
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03/04/08 06:57 PM
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Rossville has 2 a week for 1 1/2 hours untill about this time of year then we go to 3 a week
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03/04/08 06:59 PM
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do you have seperate practices for beginners and advanced or all together??
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I agree with the point that kids need to be challenged and need to get their butts kicked early and often to keep them challenged and advancing. Show me a kid who hasn't lost, and the first question I have is, "Who's he wrestling?" The dynamics can be variable, though. My kid has to get challenged in tournaments, because he doesn't have very good practice partners usually. If a wrestler has a great room, he could just wipe up the mats with everyone without suffering (because the kids in the room are wiping the mats with him).
I do NOT agree with the method of "proof" used above. In fact, when I saw the list, I actually thought the list demonstrated a high number of youth placers that become HS placers. Also, the list does not account for the many kids I'm sure who moved out of state, etc. To draw the conclusion that they quit wrestling is without basis. This isn't practical, but I'd like to see the other side--i.e., how many of the HS placers this year never placed as a youth? I'd bet that percentage is quite low.
And do kids quit? Of course, they quit every sport. Wrestling being as demanding as it is, particularly the higher you go, I wouldn't be surprised if wrestling has a higher than average drop rate.
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03/04/08 07:37 PM
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Actually, I think the numbers of HS wrestlers who placed at state who have never in kids will not be as low as you think. There are some great wrestlers who didn't start until they were in junior high. There are also some wrestlers who may not have had any luck at the kids division where they compete against kids in ALL classifications. The point being was this....just because a kid places at state does not guarantee the same kid will be placing at state in high school. Likewise, just because a kid has never placed at kids state does not mean they will not place when they get to be in high school. McPherson had a four time state champion who had never even been to state as a kid.
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03/04/08 11:11 PM
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We practice 2 nights a week, Mon and Thurs. Novice from 5:45-6:30, everyone else from 6:45-8:30. Some of the third yr wrestlers like my 7yr old go to both practices. He/they help as good prac. partners for the novice kids, but they still do all the conditioning with both groups. A few of our kids go to a private prac on Tues from 6:30-8:00 and then we attend the clincs on Sun evening from 5:30-7:30. My son goes to and looks forward to all the above mentioned practices, plus he has baseball prac from 2-4 on Sun. He gets his share of Xbox and tv as well.
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03/05/08 02:39 AM
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We practice 3 x week 2 hours a night. With additional Sunday practice for 3 hours. It is well worth it!!!
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hope you don't have an 8u 52lb.... I'll have to add a night in...lol
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