Club statisticians were able to "view" and "print" all competitors from "their club" to confirm that all entries were correct.

We also received numerous emails with all entries, as well as the age and weights that were entered.

But why not let everyone access this? Not weights and everything, just participants. I know club statisticians were able to view, and yet someone fell through the cracks. Again, I don't know all the ins and outs and people are doing a great job with a lot of information and a short time.

They would be moving wrestlers left and right. Years ago we used to have the entries available for all coaches to see prior to the seeding meeting. We had to discontinue this because it was often a foot race to see who could move a wrestler/wrestlers from one weight to another. Coach 'A' would go up and change his wrestler to another weight class and coach 'B' seeing this would follow behind doing the same. Some kids changed weight classes multiple times in the same day. Then we closed the entry lists and this practice ceased.

I said no weights, just names.

They can change weights at the seeding meeting anyway so what's the difference?

They can change them but not because they know of who else is in the bracket or another bracket is less full.

They do in district 3. They know everybody from the east and west. I would submit that 95 percent of the weight changes on seeding day are a result of seeing the names and weights.

i still think we need to be able to add kids if there is a legitamate error that is not the kids fault.

There you have your answer right there. I can't explain why other districts do some of the stuff they do.

You are talking about before or after the seeding has begun?

What do you mean I have my answer? My question is that if everyone can move around anyway, why is the information withheld until the seeding meeting? Make it available and only allow weight changes at the seeding meeting. I just don't see the harm in telling everyone the participants without the weights. Otherwise make it a correctable error.

The way it currently is, coaches are making weight changes at the seeding meeting without consulting parents.

Sorry, I had already started a reply before I saw your second post.

District 3 starts the meeting by giving every team represented a list of the participants, by weight, from both sides. They then start at the smallest 8 and unders and go through all the weight changes. Then the east and west go into separate rooms and start seeding wrestlers after all the weight changes have been announced for both sub districts.

Next year the deadline can be midnight the Friday night before the seeding meetings. Basically a little more than 6 days before the Sub district weigh-ins begin. All entries will be viewable but only the club rep can make changes. ALL changes will be done by midnight so there will be NO opportunity to change anything past the deadline. NO paperwork will be required and payment will be mandated at entry time. By midnight on Friday everyone will be entered, fixed, and paid for. The seeding meeting will not permit any changes of any type. The bottom line is that the club directors or rep who is entering the data MUST verify their entries or risk having to disappoint one of their wrestlers. Yes, we are human and we do make mistakes so get some help, verify the entrants and make sure you don't have any disappointed wrestlers. DO NOT procrastinate! Give yourselves plenty of time to verify the information you have entered. Lets face it, the system, as it stands, works pretty darn good. Out of 3,674 kids entered we have very, very few issues. It would be pretty darn hard for me to point a finger when so many got it right.

Well said Will.

Will,

Are you saying this is already planned for next year?

I'm not pointing any fingers either. They have done a remarkable job with an enormous amount of information for as long as I have been around. It would just seem that there is no real reason not to be transparant with the entries and it might eliminate a few of these situations. If I am the offending club officer, I would prefer all my parents had checked for themselves.

well darn it some one point a finger. lol just thought i would try and be funny, been a bad day needed to make a joke.

If it were up to me it would be the plan for next year! We have to move this through the proper decision making channels. Start with your club director, then your sub director, district director, and any state board member that you know.

We received an email from the subdistrict tourney directors verifying the entries we had put on the computer, prior to the deadline. So the info IS available prior to the deadline. If you club waits until the last day to enter kids, then it will be tougher to catch an omission or mistake.

I understand that. The club should turn stuff in on time, the club should verify all the names and cross reference them to the names they submitted and everything should be perfect.

How does that help an average parent? First Stryk has no control over when the club sends their entries in, nor do I control our club. First Stryk doesn't have access to the e-mail list. Neither do I see the e-mail. My thought in using track wrestling was to give the parents some control over the process.

This could just as easily have been any one of our wrestler's, and I guess I'm just not as comfortable as some are with First Stryk's bad luck.

windjammer it makes me feel good that somebody else thinks the way i do. thanks for the concern.