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Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: windjammer] #123997 03/11/08 11:25 PM
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I don't think you will ever see the parents have access to the pre-seeding data. It would be a zoo! You can see how much of testing the waters goes on on this board, with the "who's tough at this age and weight?" threads. You will always have to rely on the competence of your club directors to some degree. If your directors make too many errors then replace them.


Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: sportsfan02] #124042 03/12/08 02:03 AM
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The information is there and should be shared freely. If people want to jockey and play Ebay bid stealer by moving their kid at 11:55pm then so be it. We will never eliminate those trying to dodge competition but at the end of the day those who dodge competition merely to qualify or place at kids state will not be around to place in HS state.

There is a kid in District 1 who wrestles 14U 75. He thought that he would finally get to wrestle some kids his size after grinding out the season being combined up to 85. He entered without being able to see any other entries. Guess what, he is a state champ! Is he happy, HECK NO! He wanted to move up to 80lbs so he could wrestle! Hats off to this young man! He knows it is really about mat time and competition no podiums and plaques. The RULES won't permit him to move up but if the information would have been available you can bet he would have. It is ridiculous to hide information. This isn't poker! I guarantee you the overwhelming majority of parents would vote to allow viewing of the data.


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Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: Cokeley] #124072 03/12/08 11:53 AM
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I can only speak for District 1...I thought the process worked very well for the first time using Track wrestling. The issues we had were what I consider minor and the lessons learned were at the club level. Now that we understand the system there are a couple of tweaks we will make to our club process but all in all I thought it went a lot better this year as compared to past years. Heck in past years the poor kids and parents were relying on knuckle heads like me to actually do math to try and figure out record percentage and what that equated to and then adding additional points based on how they placed, etc.

Feel bad about kids that got left out or in wrong weight classes. But overall I have to say that in District 1, I think our District leadership did a great job! Thanks again to Will Cokeley, Mark Stanley and any others that organized all of this for our district!

Shawn Budke

Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: shawnbudke] #124086 03/12/08 12:58 PM
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I would guess any problems with trackwrestling will rear their head the day of the tournament if they are going to.


Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: sportsfan02] #124088 03/12/08 01:09 PM
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They wont have any problems they have run the system before.


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Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: luellen] #124093 03/12/08 01:34 PM
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I'm only worried about my own district. District 1 can create problems where there are none anyway.


Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: sportsfan02] #124104 03/12/08 02:15 PM
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lgtm ... I'll take that back!!

LOL!


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Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: Mark J Stanley] #124231 03/13/08 09:44 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Mark J Stanley
The ruling was quick; I was denied and a full explanation was given. Moving kids after the seeding meeting is a slippery slope. As soon as you allow an exception then there will be a dozen more requesting a move for other reasons.


I am dumbfounded to hear of the situation for your 75 pounder.

Can the 75 lb weight class be grouped with the 80 lb class for the state tournament and qualifying events?

Also, looking at past results the 14U 75 lb weight class should probably not exist. It looks like the 14U 70lb weight class was eliminated sometime in the past.

I have no familiarity with the precedent and rules in this situation, but hope he is still able to wrestle.

Re: Did this happen to anyone else? [Re: T. Short] #124233 03/13/08 10:51 AM
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 Originally Posted By: T. Short

Can the 75 lb weight class be grouped with the 80 lb class for the state tournament and qualifying events?

No!

 Originally Posted By: T. Short
Also, looking at past results the 14U 75 lb weight class should probably not exist. It looks like the 14U 70lb weight class was eliminated sometime in the past.

You've got that right! I'm kind of surprised that Nedly's crew missed this weight during the study of weight classes that needed to be eliminated.

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I have no familiarity with the precedent and rules in this situation, but hope he is still able to wrestle.

He won't be able to with no competitors statewide.


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