You are muchbetter at putting my feelings into words. Somehow I put my foot in my mouth, and sound like some cruel hearted ahole when I try to make a valid point about discipliine. Are there some coaches or dads out there that verbally abuse their kids because it makes them feel like a tough guy? Maybe. Do 95% of the coaches and dads get in the kids' face because they have a valid point to make, or a life lesson to teach? yes.

I'll retire from this thread, I just seem to get in more trouble as I go.