I just know that several times this year we had a kid lose due to the fact that the ref did not count back points until he felt he was in position. i asked the ref calmly did you not give 5 back from the time he was flipped on his back. one ref said he didnt start counting because he thought he was pinned at first then he only gave 2 points and the kid was clearly there for well over 5. the other coaches even said we got robbed. then the kid asked me afterward how he lost. i just said lets get ready for our next match. that is hard to tell a kid when he knows he should have won that match.