Glad to see they kept the entire NCKL league together at the same regional.

I know, I can't believe they put all the 4A schools in our league in the same regional too!

WOW That Abilene Regional is going to Be Amazing there WILL be quite a few eventual state champs come out of that Regional.

Based on the Rankings on 11/21/08
Abilene regional
Ranked teams
1 Clay Center
4 Abilene
10 Jeff West

Individual rankings
103
2 Cass Steele Jeff West 10
3 Luke Cole Abilene 12

112
3 Zach Cook Smoky Valley 10

119
2 Logan Singular Clay Center 11

125
6 Brandon Charbonneau Clay Center 9

130

135
2 Tyler Anderson Clay Center 11
3 Matt Brock Tonganoxie 12

140
5 Quinton Wthnow Abilene 12
6 Ryan Weaver SFT 12

145
4 Chase Wells SFT 12
5 Zach Reeb Jeff West 12


152
4 Jess Lemon Chapman 12
6 Colten Picking Abilene 10

160 lbs.
2 Kyler Wallace Clay Center 12
5 Ryan Wuthnow Abilene 12

171 lbs.
3 Tyler Hassenbank Concordia 12
5 Ryan Carlson Hiawatha 12
6 Steve Davis Tonganoxie 12

189 lbs.
1 Joel Marrs Clay Center 12
4 Noel Richardson Chapman 12
6 Cole Geison Holton 12

215 lbs.
1 Michael Patenaude Clay Center 12

285 lbs.
4 Tyler Gjerstad Abilene 11
6 Dennis Devader Holton 12

Caney Valley
Ranked Teams
7 Columbus
8 Chanute

Individual rankings
103
4 Channing Hosey Labette Co. 10

112
1 Kenneth Ornales Chanute 12

119

125
3 Zac Sparr Rose Hill 11
5 Kyle Johnson Columbus 10

130
4 Zach Jesseph Chanute 12
6 Aaron Hamilton Augusta 12

135
1 CJ Napier Columbus 12
5 Cain McEwan Augusta 12
6 Seth Hadley El Dorado 12

140
1 Cameron Jesseph Chanute 12

145
6 Sam Son Chanute 9

152
5 John Hambleton Labette Co. 11

160 lbs.
4 Dylan Hagerman Mulvane 11

171 lbs.
1 Jake Price Caney Valley 12


189 lbs.
2 Brandon Craft El Dorado 12

215 lbs.
2 Kendall Pierce Circle 12

285 lbs.
2 Dakota Denny Caney Valley 10
3 Taylor Burns Columbus 11
5 JB Clementi El Dorado 12

Spring Hill
Ranked Teams
None

Individual rankings
103
5 Austin Hood Louisburg 9

112
None

119
3 Alan Callahan Baldwin 12
4 Taylor Moeder St. James 10

125
1 Derrick Weller KC Piper 11
2 Sharky Slyter Paola 12
4 Symon Seaton Basehor-Linwood 10

130
1 Ryne Cokeley St. James 10
3 Bryce Hood Louisburg 11

135
None

140
None

145
1 Chris Coover Ottawa 11

152
2 Nathan Sommer Prairie View 12

160 lbs.
6 Wiliam Wilson Osawatomie 12

171
None

189 lbs.
none

215 lbs.
4 Joe Bauswell KC Piper 11

285 lbs.
None

Ulysses
Ranked Teams
2 Colby
3 Scott City
5 Andale
6 Wichita Independant
9 Ulysses

Individual Weights
103
1 Paco Antillon Scott City 11
6 Konner Kriss Colby 9
112
2 Robbie Hines Ulysses 10
4 Colton Eck Andale 10
5 Nathan Reed Colby 11
6 Tyson Schmidtberger Russell 11
119
1 Nathan Furches Clearwater 12
5 Travis Janzen Hesston 12
6 Ben Thoman Andale 10
125
None
130
2 James Medlin Hesston 12
5 Alex Bontz Wichita Independant 9
135
4 Matt Grier Wichita Independent 12
140
2 Cody Bontz Wichita Independent 11
3 Morgan Numrich Scott City 11
4 Cody Hill Hugoton 10
145
2 Dakota Hayes Scott City 11
3 Ethan Stickle Colby 11
152
1 Derek Newell Ulysses 12
3 Derek Soucie Wichita Independent 12

160
1 Benny Armstrong Andale 11
3 Chaston Hoeme Scott City 12

171
2 Breck Arnberger Colby 12
4 Scott Lester Andale 11

189
3 Treat Bugbee Colby 12
5 Dylan Bowman Wellington 12

215
3 Tanner Kriss Colby 12
5 Byron Landis Pratt 12
6 Adam Waymaster Rusell 12

285
1 BJ Finney Andale 11

Shawnee Mission-Bishop Miege High School – Mike Bohaty & Dave Eller, Regional Managers
Bonner Springs, Kansas City-Harmon, Kansas City-Schlagle, Kansas City-Turner, Kansas City-Washington, Kansas City-Wyandotte, Lansing, Shawnee Mission-Bishop Miege


Perhaps the weakest regional in Kansas High School Wrestling history. However, it will save on gas expenditures!

Concur on this Mr. Cokely, should be an absolute cakewalk for Lansing,,,how many 3 and 4 man brackets will there be?

How many 4A teams made it to the state football playoffs?

32! half of the classification was invited to play in the state playoff system.

There is still only one champion.

There are some week regions in every classification. But there will be only one state champion at every weight class.

Thanks for the cliche.

Then lets just invite all 32 5A and 6A teams to state and eliminate the regional. It is a waste of time and money to host a tournament where seven team's combined rosters could not beat the remaining one team. You know where I stand, 5A and 6A should be combined. Economically this makes a lot more sense to have four sixteen team regionals than eight, eight team regionals that will be missing 30% of their possible competitors and place many wrestlers with losing records in the state tournament. More socialism...

First of all they will not combine so it is a mute point, but for conversation sake although I agree the bottom end of 5a and 6a is weaker the top end is stronger. 9 of the top 10 teams are either 6a or 5a. Combining those two classes would greatly imbalance the system. I don't know the correct answer except for one state tournament or a grand state. Then you don't have to worry about balance.

24/7

Let's look at last year. Who were those 9 teams in your opinion that were 5a or 6a? We can't base it off this year yet because most teams have yet to step on the mat, but who were the top 10 last year?

I am not sure who 24/7 has in mind for his top 9 or 10 teams this year in 5A/6A. As far as results at 5A & 6A State last year it was as follows:

6A
Goddard 209, Derby 204.50, Manhattan 116.50, SM East 91, Wichita NW 91, Garden City 88, Wichita Heights 87, BV North 83,
Olathe North 69, Junction City 67

5A
Bishop Carroll 184.50, Ark City 137.50, Gardner Edgerton 107.50, Liberal 107.50, Valley Center 103.50, Emporia 101.00,
Salina South 100.50 St. Thomas Aquinas 94, Kapaun Mt. Carmel 84, Shawnee Heights-Tecumseh 79

So he is saying that the best 10 teams in the state are nine of those plus one team from 4-3-2-1A? Interesting!

I simply looked off this years all-class rankings posted by Chief. And as I look at it I should have said 9 out of 11.

2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking:


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Bishop Carroll - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Emporia - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A

And you are correct we have yet to wrestle to verify this year, but Chief does some pretty accurate research. My point was that to use the bottom end of 6A/5A to justify a merger is not looking at the whole picture when the top end of both 6A and 5A is very strong. Not trying to start a war just trying to defend against the whole "put 6a and 5a together" argument. Either leave them as they are or put them ALL together!

24/7

Posted April 9, 2008 by Smokey Cabin using final rankings from last years all-class rankings on the same topic last year. Maybe my comment about 9 out of 10 is not accurate, but a combined 6a/5a would not be a fairly dispersed system according to this data.

Acutual post of Smokey starts here...

Using the Chiefs final all class ranking of 114 kids

59% of the ranked 114 kids came from 5A and 6A or 64 schools

41% of the ranked 114 kids came from 1A,2A,3A, & 4A Schools
I think there are at least 128 schools - I did not count all the 1,2,3A schools that have wrestling - I think there are 64 in 4A - just an observation.

11 of the 14 - number 1 ranked kids were from 5A or 6A.
22 of the 28 - number 1 & 2 ranked kids were from 5A or 6A

If 5A and 6A classes were combined it would be one fun state tournament to watch. Based on these numbers I would not say
5A and 6A are weak - they just do not have as many schools.
Each school still only has 14 varsity spots.


Now back to me speaking. I would agree that the bottom of 5a/6a is weaker and that it is easier to qualify for state in those classes, but based on the data above it may be harder to WIN state in 5a/6a.

The Chief is bias to 5a and 6a