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Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #133371 12/10/08 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: Chief Renegade
3. Conner Kriss - COL


Hey Chief that Konnor Kriss


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is Brijin McCullough going 112 i was looking at some of the tournaments and he was at 119

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If it was going to happen I think it would be at the Derby tournament in Jan.


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cheif you are right he doesnt have much history other than choking at state most years hes been there.. just checking because i seen him wrestle at caney and he looked pretty good

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What age/weight did Garrett Matthews wrestle at kids state last year? I can't find him.

***I found him he wrestled 14/85.

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Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking [Re: 24/7] #133394 12/10/08 06:23 PM
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yep he wrestled 14/85 didnt place came real close but granted He has realy devoloped some muscles in one year from what ive seen and 14 u 85 was a realy strong bracket last year and he nearly beat chris burley had a 3 point lead on him going into the 3rd and Burley ended up taking second


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Originally Posted By: Scouter
yep he wrestled 14/85 didnt place came real close but granted He has realy devoloped some muscles in one year from what ive seen and 14 u 85 was a realy strong bracket last year and he nearly beat chris burley had a 3 point lead on him going into the 3rd and Burley ended up taking second


14 & Under - 85
1st Place - Anthony Calderon of Southwest Grapplers
2nd Place - Chris Burley of Great Bend
3rd Place - Jace Roy of Paola
4th Place - Josh Thoele of Paola
5th Place - Michael Helms of Ark City Takedown
6th Place - Javier Vieyra of Salina Kids

14 & Under 85
Garrett Matthews
Champ. Round 1 - Garrett Matthews (Con Kids) won by major decision over Justin Twombly (Jackson County) (Maj 11-3)
Quarterfinal - Chris Burley (Great Bend) won by decision over Garrett Matthews (Con Kids) (Dec 9-6)
Cons. Round 2 - Garrett Matthews (Con Kids) won by pin over Nathan Reed (Ottawa County) (Pin 0:54)
Cons. Round 3 - Jace Roy (Paola) won by decision over Garrett Matthews (Con Kids) (Dec 6-0)


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Yep Thanks Richard the top 6 in that weight where all amazing Wrestlers Javier from salina only beat garrett by a few points each time they wrestled


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Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking [Re: Scouter] #133444 12/11/08 12:33 PM
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2008-09 Preseason All-Class Ranking: *SEVERAL CHANGES*


TEAMS - All-Class
1. Goddard - 6A
2. Derby - 6A
3. Wichita Heights - 6A
4. Clay Center - 4A
5. Emporia - 5A
6. Smith Center - 321A
7. Bishop Carroll - 5A
8. Lansing - 5A
9. Liberal - 5A
10t. Gardner - 5A
10t. Manhattan - 6A


103
1. Roger Windham - 12 - DB - 6A
2. Luke Cole - 12 - AB - 4A
3. Chase Locke - 9 - MZ - 6A
4. Bo Pursel - 9 - LS - 5A
5. Aaron Seybold - 9 - PT - 5A
6. Chris Ceman - 11 - PH - 321A
7. Zack Vesta - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Austin Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A
9. Tommy Williams - 9 - STA - 5A
10. Konner Kriss - 9 - COL - 4A


112
1. Alan Callahan - 12 - BAL - 4A
2. Taylor Moeder - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Kenneth Ornelas - 12 - CH - 4A
4. Isaac Ruiz - 11 - JC - 6A
5. Adrian Salas - 11 - LB - 5A
6. Dalton Davis - 10 - LA - 321A
7. Dane Norris - 10 - MH - 6A
8. Caleb Seaton - 10 - BS - 5A
9. Colby Watters - 9 - ARK - 5A
10. Uylesses DeShazer - 9 - WH - 6A
11. Brijin McCullough - 11 - WS - 6A
12. Jack Wenzel - 12 - WN - 6A
13. Nathan Reed - 11 - COL - 4A
14. Francis Antillon - 11 - SC - 4A


119
1. Nathan Furches - 12 - CL - 4A
2. Tyler Stokes - 12 - GE - 5A
3. Jake Gentzler - 10 - AC - 5A
4. Jeff Vesta - 12 - MH - 6A
5. Mario Corado - 10 - PT - 5A
6. Blaine Smith - 11 - SS - 5A
7. Dan Weigel - 12 - PL - 321A
8. Robbie Hines - 10 - UL - 4A
9. Colton Eck - 10 - AN - 4A
10. Zach Cook - 11 - SV - 4A
11. James Wauer - 12 - WA - 5A
12. Billy Broeckelman - 10 - NO - 321A
13. Zach Hoehn - 10 - WEL - 321A
14. Dalton Miller - 11 - WC - 6A
15. D'ondre Davis - 10 - WH - 6A
16. Tim Wrestler - 9 - CH - 4A
17. David Petrie - 12 - BVNW - 6A


125
1. Chase Nitcher - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Sharky Slyter - 12 - PA - 4A
3. Daniel DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A
4. Symon Seaton - 10 - BL - 4A
5. Derek Weller - 11 - PI - 4A
6. Chaz Lawrence - 12 - OS - 6A
7. Zach Tanenbaum - 10 - BVN - 6A
8. Justin Rose - 12 - EMP - 5A
9. Zac Sparr - 11 - RH - 4A
10. Diamond Wilson - 12 - WN - 6A
11. Dylan Penka - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Logan Singular - 11 - CC - 4A
13. Jace Campbell - 11 - OA - 321A
14. Aaron Patton - 12 - WEL - 321A
15. Travis Reinhart - 10 - DB - 6A
16. Steven Plott - 10 - SS - 5A
17. Cody Beasley - 10 - WC - 6A


130
1. Trent Cox - 12 - MZ - 6A
2. Ryne Cokeley - 10 - SJA - 4A
3. Colt Rogers - 11 - SC - 321A
4. Bryce Hood - 11 - LOU - 4A
5. Chase Sanchez - 10 - EMP - 5A
6. Spencer Blew - 10 - LS - 5A
7. James Medlin - 12 - HS - 4A
8. Kaenon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A
9. Zach Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
10. Trey Houlden - 10 - GD - 6A
11. Beau Hentzen - 10 - BC - 5A
12. Josh Hanson - 11 - BAL - 4A
13. Koty Russell - 11 - LFS - 6A
14. Lane Greenlee - 11 - GC - 6A
15. Alex Bontz - 9 - WI - 4A
16. Jason Harper - 10 - WC - 6A


135
1. C.J. Napier - 12 - CO - 4A
2. Kendric Maple - 12 - WH - 6A
3. Danny Floyd - 11 - OS - 321A
4. Linwood Peoples - 12 - BVNW - 6A
5. Tyler Anderson - 11 - CC - 4A
6. Sal Tovar - 12 - EMP - 5A
7. Skylar McCombs - 10 - DB - 6A
8. Ricky Creek - 12 - MRV - 321A
9. Matt Brock - 12 - TG - 4A


140
1. Cade Blair - 11 - VC - 5A
2. Cody Shavlik - 11 - DB - 6A
3. Parker Madl - 11 - BV - 6A
4. Cameron Jesseph - 12 - CH - 4A
5. Joey Dozier - 11 - GC - 6A
6. Tyler Davis - 11 - MCP - 5A
7. Jesse Gantz - 12 - ST - 321A
8. Zack Bainter - 12 - NO - 321A
9. Tavo Dikin - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jake Mainz - 11 - BC - 5A
11. Chris Coover - 11 - OT - 4A


145
1. Mitchell Means - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Cas Spangler - 12 - BE - 321A
3. Colby Crank - 12 - HT - 5A
4. Dustin Zahorsky - 12 - SL - 321A
5. Codie Bontz - 11 - WI - 4A
6. Sam Son - 9 - CH - 4A
7. Matt Reed - 9 - WH - 6A
8. Dillon Charland - 11 - JC - 6A
9. Blake Greenfield - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Zach Reeb - 12 - JW - 5A
11. Morgan Numrich - 11 - SC - 4A
12. Conner Middleton - 9 - ONW - 6A
13. Eric Grant - 12 - ON - 6A
14. Kyle McGoldrick - 11 - VC - 5A
15. Jake Hattabaugh - 10 - AN - 4A


152
1. Chris Watson - 12 - AC - 5A
2. Jordan Brown - 12 - PT - 5A
3. Ryan Houlden - 12 - GD - 6A
4. Travis Rempe - 12 - SC - 321A
5. Todd Curtis - 11 - GE - 5A
6. Corey Engstrom - 11 - HOI - 321A
7. Tyler Sutherland - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Derek Newell - 12 - UL - 4A
9. Kyler Wallace - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Jimmy Stults - 12 - VC - 5A
11. Jake Walker - 11 - STA - 5A
12. Sean Gaither - 11 - WNW - 6A
13. Michael Perez - 12 - SME - 6A
14. Keegan Smith - 12 - GL - 321A
15. Evon Royal 12 - JC - 6A


160
1. Kyle Detmer - 12 - BC - 5A
2. Tyler Caldwell - 12 - GD - 6A
3. Nathan Sommer - 12 - PV - 4A
4. Jonathan Truman - 11 - KMC - 5A
5. Benny Armstrong - 11 - AN - 4A
6. David Lalo - 12 - OE - 6A
7. Ryan Wuthnow - 11 - AB - 4A
8. Sawyer Treinen - 12 - MH - 6A
9. Brian Cain - 12 - LAW - 6A
10. Jess Lemon - 12 - CH - 4A
11. Ethan Mumaw - 10 - JW - 4A


171
1. Chase Nelson - 12 - WH - 6A
2. Grant Hinckley - 12 - LS - 5A
3. Alex Feldkamp - 12 - DB - 6A
4. Greg Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A
5. David Blazevic - 11 - ON - 6A
6. Breck Arnberger - 12 - CB - 4A
7. Jake Price - 12 - CV - 4A
8. Tyler Hasenbank - 12 - CON - 4A
9. Ryan Carlson - 12 - HI - 4A


189
1. Boaz Beard - 12 - GD - 6A
2. Mark Kolmer - 11 - EMP - 5A
3. Jacob Nowak - 12 - STA - 5A
4. Joel Marrs - 12 - CC - 4A
5. Cole Geisen - 12 - HOL - 4A
6. Aron Elsen - 12 - GB - 5A
7. Noel Richardson - 12 - CHP - 4A
8. Darnell Bortz - 12 - PRT - 4A
9. Brandon Craft - 12 - EL - 4A
10. Brett Newell - 12 - BV - 6A
11. Ryan Revoir - 12 - OE - 6A


215
1. Kyle Caylor - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. Steven Kyler - 12 - EL - 321A
3. Tanner Kriss - 12 - CB - 4A
4. Nate Davis - 12 - LB - 5A
5. Jake Woten - 12 - OE - 6A
6. Josh Hicks - 11 - GD - 6A
7. Howard Johnson - 12 - GB - 5A
8. Jake Cole - 12 - BC - 5A
9. Michael Patenaude - 12 - CC - 4A
10. Kendall Pierce - 12 - CIR - 4A


285
1. Brock Heithaus - 11 - WNW - 6A
2. B.J. Finney - 11 - AN - 4A
3. Lucas Vincent - 11 - ON - 6A
4. Kyle Westmoreland - 12 - DB - 6A
5. J.J. Rice - 11 - PH - 321A
6. Ross Addison - 12 - CI - 321A
7. Ricky Gomez - 12 - LB - 5A
8. Michael Starnes - 12 - AC - 5A
9. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A
10. Jerred Douglas - 12 - VC - 5A



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Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking [Re: Chief Renegade] #133485 12/11/08 07:41 PM
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Ok, I have put on my armour and I have a shield on both arms! I am ready for the jousting and spear chucking to begin!

I am tired of all of the 321A whiners out there! They want to keep their state tournament all by themselves out at Ft. Hays, they don't go to Newton, the Bobcat, Derby, KCI, Garden City, or any of the tournaments where the big schools are. Is it easier to qualify for 5A and 6A, darn sure is but it is much harder to win it! Now I know there are exceptions but for the most part 321A doesn't belong in the all class rankings. They don't wrestle in the summer, they don't go to the tournaments where the competition is tough, etc. Why am I so bent out of shape? There are more of them out there than 5A and 6a combined so they control the rule and policy making that happens under KSHSAA. They have super high teacher to student ratios which makes their education per student WAY more expensive than the bigger schools but they cry about leveling the playing field and impose regulations that push those who want to excel down! Then they get on here and cry about respect!

That is the way it is! Many of those guys are my friends and they still are as far as I am concerned but someone needed to set the record straight!


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We can only go were are school will let us go!

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i don't know chief i think ruiz should get at least ranked third at 112 last year ruiz beat darrin strout and moeder lost to him plus he took ornelas into the third overtime

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Actually its "STROOT", and Moeder didnt lose to him, he beat him at regionals in Clearwater, but its fine with me if Ruiz is 3rd!

Re: 2008-09 All-Class Ranking [Re: Cokeley] #133504 12/12/08 01:42 AM
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First of all, my student to teacher ratio is about 20 to 1 in my classroom. Secondly, our wrestlers worked out this summer twice a week, and went to the Nebraska team camp. We go to the Hays tournament, the Liberal tournament, and the Colby tournament. On top of that, we host the Holiday Classic. I also know we are not the only small school to wrestle said tournaments.


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Originally Posted By: Brian K. Patton
We can only go were are school will let us go!


Exactly! I feel sorry for the wrestlers in 321A because they would wrestle whoever, wherever. I am not questioning their character or desire. It is the coaches and administrators that have their little networks, wrestling the same schools and the same schedule every year. I know Aaron would love the opportunity to do more. There are lots of good kids and great wrestlers in 321A that are never put into a position to prove their ALL CLASS value.


Crossface King,

Goodland just happens to be one of the largest if not the largest 321A school. I am sure if you added up your administrators and teachers and divided that number into your total number of students your ratio would be much better than Lawrence Free State High School's.

I didn't see many 321A wrestlers at FS/GR state, Southern Plains, or Fargo. It is hard to tell where to rate a wrestler when they never wrestle anyone that permits you to evaluate how good they are or could be. How many 4A, 5A, and 6A state champions were at the events you mentioned? I just listed the top tournaments available, in my opinion, and none of the ones you listed are in the top five. Newton, Derby, Bobcat, Garden City, and Blue Valley NW. These offer the best of the best in Kansas as well as some out of state competition. The BEST tournament available within the 500 mile KSHSAA barrier is the KCI Classic. It offers a serious taste of top level national competition.

Team Camps are an expensive but easy way to say your doing someting extra in the summer, jmo.


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You sure have done your homework Cokeley (708)267-6615. You said and I quote,
"they don't go to Newton, the Bobcat, Derby, KCI, Garden City, or any of the tournaments where the big schools are."

What little 321-A school would even think they could compete at a Tourn. like the Newton TOC. It would be very difficult for a little school to run with the big dogs. I'm sure no 321A school has ever won that Tourn.(Newton) And it would be amazing if a little school could have won it two years in a row. Would 6 wrestlers in the Championship finals at Newton in one year constitute a good showing at this elite tournamnent ? Or do you have to be a 5A or 6A to make it count ?

Maybe you should study the results of some of these tournaments that you cited before making a BLANKET statement about ALL 321-A Schools.

Get back to your homework and get your facts straight. I'm sure I will hear from you again, but you will not hear from me again on this subject.

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Originally Posted By: Bill Johnson
You sure have done your homework Cokeley (708)267-6615. You said and I quote,
"they don't go to Newton, the Bobcat, Derby, KCI, Garden City, or any of the tournaments where the big schools are."

What little 321-A school would even think they could compete at a Tourn. like the Newton TOC. It would be very difficult for a little school to run with the big dogs. I'm sure no 321A school has ever won that Tourn.(Newton) And it would be amazing if a little school could have won it two years in a row. Would 6 wrestlers in the Championship finals at Newton in one year constitute a good showing at this elite tournamnent ? Or do you have to be a 5A or 6A to make it count ?

Maybe you should study the results of some of these tournaments that you cited before making a BLANKET statement about ALL 321-A Schools.

Get back to your homework and get your facts straight. I'm sure I will hear from you again, but you will not hear from me again on this subject.


Bill, this is just CRAZY TALK!! Surely, a 321A school couldn't win the Newton Tourney TWO years in a row.......or could they?????

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You sure have done your homework Cokeley (708)267-6615. You said and I quote,
"they don't go to Newton, the Bobcat, Derby, KCI, Garden City, or any of the tournaments where the big schools are."

What little 321-A school would even think they could compete at a Tourn. like the Newton TOC. It would be very difficult for a little school to run with the big dogs. I'm sure no 321A school has ever won that Tourn.(Newton) And it would be amazing if a little school could have won it two years in a row. Would 6 wrestlers in the Championship finals at Newton in one year constitute a good showing at this elite tournamnent ? Or do you have to be a 5A or 6A to make it count ?

Maybe you should study the results of some of these tournaments that you cited before making a BLANKET statement about ALL 321-A Schools.

Get back to your homework and get your facts straight. I'm sure I will hear from you again, but you will not hear from me again on this subject.


Billy,

What is the point of putting up my phone number? It is readily available! I believe the rankings post is the ALL CLASS rankings for this year. Rankings are a reflection of what you have done lately, not old news.

103--1. Vesta, Man, def. Windham, D, 8-0; 3. Smith, SS, def. Penka, BC, 5-1.
112--1. Stokes, GE, def. Singular, CC, 11-1; 3. DeShazer, WH, def. Jones, AC, 7-3.
119--1. Jor. Keller, BC, def. Barber, DC, 14-1; 3. Rose, E, def. Rodriquez, D, 6-3.
125--1. John Keller, BC, won tech fall over Keiswetter, Nor; 3. Tovar, E, def. Hess, GE, 3-0.
130--1. Maple, WH, def. Dunham, M, 11-3; 3. Graham, AC, def. Mainz, BC, 4-1.
135--1. Crank, Hutch, def. Wagner, Man, 5-3; 3. Bainter, Nor, def. Winger, DC, 3-0.
140--1. Isenberg, GE, def. Nelson, WH, 18-14; 3. Wright, DC, def. Stephens, Col, 8-5.
145--1. Arnold, BC, pinned Miller, Man, 1:41; 3. T. Curtis, GE, def. Gaither, WNW.
152--1. Detmer, BC, won inj. def. over Ringgold, WNW; 3. Snook, D, pinned Fulbright, Maize, 2:45.
160--1. Davis, CC, def. Reinhart, D, 3-1; 3. Arnberger, Colby, def. G. Curtis, GE, 8-5.
171--1. Elliott, AC, pinned T. Kriss, Colby, 2:34; 3. Witt, L, def. Willmann, CC, 6-4.
189--1. Cotton, Hutch, pinned Long, D, 3:07; 3. Bruce, AC, def. Marrs, CC, 9-3.
215--1. N. Kriss, Colby, def. Caylor, WNW, 3-1; 3. Cole, BC, def. Patenaude, CC, 12-6.
285--1. Andrus, Man, pinned Wood, Hutch, 3:59; 3. Thomas, Norton, won inj. def. over Westmoreland, D.

Only one 321A wrestler in the finals. You guys finished 9th as the ONLY 321A school in there. I really didn't include Norton as a part of the 321A We don't get any respect whiner group but if you insist, no problem. My facts are straight and I don't really care whether I hear from you again or not. I made a comment as a generalization, a generalization you cannot dispute. There will be, as I clearly stated, exceptions.

I retract that statement, I would like to hear from you. How many will you have in the finals THIS YEAR? I am pulling for all of those kids who stepped it up and went the extra mile to get better, Zane and the kids who went with us to Iowa the past couple of years! Good luck to the Bluejays this year!

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Norton's previous two trips to Newton's TOC resulted in two team titles and maybe a 3rd if not for bad weather prohibiting travel.

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Originally Posted By: Gary Seibel
Norton's previous two trips to Newton's TOC resulted in two team titles and maybe a 3rd if not for bad weather prohibiting travel.


Yet and still none of those wrestlers are available to wrestle for them this year therefore they are not in the rankings. The comments are directed at those who are insistent that everyone is big school bias, specifically the Chief. I am sure that Hoxie, a few years ago, would have placed a few very high in the rankings, but not this year. At this point in time the bigger schools have the majority of studs and therefore they are getting ranked accordingly. Maybe this will fire up the little guys!


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