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five pounds for a 50 pounder is quite a bit more to over come the a 125-150 pounder. You have to compare percentages, not just pounds. My 12/under 68 pounder looks like a dwarf compared to the 72 pound weight class. The 95 percentile for an 8 year old is 80 pounds. Does anyone have the statistics on how many kids we are talking about that are 8 years old & weigh over 140 pounds that wrestle? I am at the opposite end of the spectrum & am having a hard time getting my head around an 8 year old of this size.

I was prepared for that response when I posted that site as an example. The idea was to look at the way MO does the weight division splits to get an idea of how to break it down so you don't have so many lower brackets and could spread them out to accomodate as many athletes as possible. The entrants entered are an entirely different issue.

But did anyone notice that the 8U 40lb only had 3? So which way do you go with that. Point is none of the kids were turned away. So maybe they had a bad year/turnout. We apparently are not this year and are turning away dozens of potential state wrestlers. The same will be true next year and the year after. Are we so special we cannot crown a victor even if they are the only ones there. National Tournaments do it all the time. $$$ is a huge factor here.

I am pretty conservative most of the time. I think a kid should earn an award and not be given an award. But in this case they have earned the right to go as they have practiced went to other tournaments and done their time. It would just be the culmination of a seasons effort. Besides they hand out medals like candy at the district and sub-district meets anyway. So it wouldn't be like it isn't already being done. If you really want to help people out drop one of the qualifying meets this year and go from there. That would prob save everyone at least $50.00. Figure entry fees, gas, food, lodging in some cases.

If half the state decided that due to the economy (not totally unrealistic and prudent by the way) that they weren't going to shell out the money to go to state. Would you just call it off because the brackets were half empty. I don't think so. Is there a minimum for bracketing for state? So if there are only 2 people entered in the 8U 76 bracket do we just move them up a bracket or age group to make a bracket bigger. I would hope not.

The truth is that we are in a recession and people are out of work. The numbers will most likely be down this year any way you look at it. So doing surveys/polls are not likely to show anything except that numbers are down across the board. Past research is past research you have to live in the now not the last year or the year before that. The fact that big kids have been run off or turned away has undoubtably hurt their numbers over the last few years at least in this state.

Again look at the the way MO does their weight bracketing that is the important message here. Thanks, Troy

This thread got buried thanks to Win by Pin. Childish if you ask me.

I have noticed that you can weigh a max of
125lbs at 8U
170lbs at 10U
240lbs at 12U
265lbs at 14U
285lbs at 16U
Why is there a 70lb jump between 10U and 12U? Why do we not have a 205lb 12U and possibly a 15lb class at 8U. Just a little fuel for the fire.

8 & under:
40,43,46,49,52,55,58,61,64,67,70,73,76,80,88,95,110,125

9 & 10:
52,55,58,61,64,67,70,73,76,79,82,85,90,95,100,110,120,130,150,170

11 & 12:
64,68,72,76,80,84,88,92,96,100,105,110,115,120,130,140,150,165,
190, 215, 240

13 & 14:
75,80,85,90,95,100,105,110,115,120,125,130,135,140,145,150,155, 160, 165, 175, 205, 235, 265

15 & 16:
100,105,110,115,120,125,130,135,140,145,150,155,160,165,175,185, 215, 250, 285

That would be 150lb 8U not 15lb

You could have pulled up the same exact thread from the archives for any one of the last four or five years.

I think the MO example does show something…there just are not that many 8 year olds that weight over 125 pounds. Are there some? Sure, there are exceptions to every rule. And even with some of the suggestion on this post there would be exceptions. If we move it to 150…what about the kid that weighs 160 (and so on)???

My son is 8U 110, and even at that weight there are usually not more than a couple kids his size. So I can see why people would assume there isn't enough participants to warrant additional groups.

Win by Pin was trying to bury the Tobacco topic. I'm sure this one was buried on accident. Have you read that post? Nothing childish about burying that one.

Just for giggles I looked at the results for 8U 110lbs for this past weekend. I counted over 12 wrestlers partipating statewide not counting Maize which hasn't posted full results. There were prob another 5-10 that didn't wrestle at all. So they are out there just not all in the same place. Will all of them try to go to state, prob not. Doesn't mean they aren't there because they are and they actually have a choice to go or not.

Short of having a roll call from the clubs to get an accurate figure. I would esimate there are prob 10-15 8U wrestlers state wide that are either right at 125lbs or way over it. A 275lb+ 8U exception is going to very rare indeed.


Beeson:

Yes, I looked at that thread. I chew so it interested me at first, but I have self control when it comes to wrestling tournaments in that regard so it was a waste of bandwidth in my opinion. Doesn't mean that if I disagree with someone them I pull a stunt like that to make it go away. Ignore and read something else if you don't agree. But thanks for pointing it out though. I believe you are correct in your observation.

i too have a 8 and under hwt. i cant get alot of kids to wrestle against. it is a shame. my boy is at 140 now. he was 152 when we started the season. he has worked as hard as i have seen him ever work for something. he just wanted to go to state. the rules need to be modified. these kids today are getting bigger. our society today has more kids bigger than ever before. i put my son in the sports(football and wrestling) to help his weight. he will be in the 10 and under class next year. but what about the 7 and 8 year olds who are already pushing it to make state this year. i am seriously thinking about challenging the state board next fall. i need help from the rest of you parents so we can be heard.

i need contact information for the tournament in topeka on march 22 posted by mark stanley. or call me at (316)990-4515. my name is charles king/wichita aztecas

hey, if your kids cant go to state , let me know if their weight is the issue? or if they are novice babies? we can avoid the chaous by going to the tournament in topeka on march 22,2009. its on a sunday. that makes it easy on everybody in my group.let us know if you want to play............

washingtons, this is are fight. so lets keep pushing. remember,its not about us. there is another breed next year. they will be fighting AS WELL.

Patrick Lee, Tre Washington, and Robert King should have got to wrestle.

mark stanley has very good input here. he treated my kids with respect and understanding at his hardluck tourney. hossus and washingtons, my name is charles king. my son is robert king. my number is (316)990-4515. please call me soon so we can start our own research to take to our district meetings for the votes. this is crap and i cant believe this organization in in it for the kids. anybody else who is for or against me in this, you are welcome to make a phone call too.

magpie, so did your kid make it to state? if not youare in this mix too.