4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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Here is another set of numbers for you crunchers. I see from the KSHSAA wrestling history that there are/have been 24 4 time state champs--this includes two this year. 321A 6 of 24, 4A 4 of 24, 5A 10, and 6A 4. Now expect to hear the 321A crown to use these number to prove how much better 321A wrestling is---those 5 and 6A wreslers are all weaker and thus easier to beat enroute to a 4 time championship.
Bill Mason Lansing
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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Hmmm, tell you what, I coached kids, good kids, against Duell, Oeser, Goodale, Ware, and Layton and I can tell you first hand that they were all equally hard to beat. I saw no difference in them and only won one match against the lot of them and that was one of their first matches of his career (good that we caught him early) One thing I found out, a great one is a great one. Where he comes from does not make it hurt any less or make you feel any less helpless lol.
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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Here is another set of numbers for you crunchers. I see from the KSHSAA wrestling history that there are/have been 24 4 time state champs--this includes two this year. 321A 6 of 24, 4A 4 of 24, 5A 10, and 6A 4. Now expect to hear the 321A crown to use these number to prove how much better 321A wrestling is---those 5 and 6A wreslers are all weaker and thus easier to beat enroute to a 4 time championship. Yeah, poor little 'weaker' 6a Roberson. Never lost in HS (153-0 record and won 109 of those bouts by pin fall). and won a D-1 TITLE in college afer being the runner-up the previous year. If you want to learn more about Roberson: http://www.flowrestling.org/articles/vie...-coaching-staffStuds come from all sizes of schools. Big, medium and small... That is one of the beautiful thing about the individual nature of our great sport.
D. Dean Welsh, Junction City ***Dean plays well with others!!! ;-)
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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LOL I forgot about him, we wrestled him with a state champ and got beat 8-0. How could I have left him out lol. There was just no place to hide against those guys. Tell you what those kids from Goddard showed me a bunch this year. I had not seen them before and they are the equal of any of the aformentioned kids. Man they were/are impressive.
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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The crazy thing is that as of this date only 2 of the KS four time state champions have reached NCAA Division All American Status. I believe this is correct unless someone has better data...
Who has a chance to win it for the fourth time next year in addition to Colt Rogers???
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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Also of note - some that were NOT 4 timers placed well! Douglas, Bunch, Matt Murray. . . I'm sure there are more.
D. Dean Welsh, Junction City ***Dean plays well with others!!! ;-)
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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Who are the 2 new 4 timers Caldwell and Beard? What weights did they wrestle in their careers?
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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who are the 2 new 4 timers, and what weights did they wrestle in their careers? 2006 6A 112 Caldwell, Tyler Goddard 2007 6A 125 Caldwell, Tyler Goddard 2008 6A 140 Caldwell, Tyler Goddard 2009 6A 160 Caldwell, Tyler Goddard 2006 6A 152 Beard, Boaz Goddard 2007 6A 160 Beard, Boaz Goddard 2008 6A 141 Beard, Boaz Goddard 2009 6A 189 Beard, Boaz Goddard
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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Assume that Beard in 2008 as a 141# is a typo.. Should be 171.
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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Does anyone have a by-name list of all the Kansas 4 time state champs?
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Can anyone tell me what kind of weight each of these guys cut- I would be interested in that information
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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KANSAS 4-TIME STATE CHAMPIONS
#1 - Doug Duell, Goodland (5 titles) 1972 - 3A - 98 lbs. 1973 - 3A - 105 lbs. 1974 - 3A - 119 lbs. 1975 - 3A - 119 lbs. 1975 - Grand State - 119 lbs.
#2 - Roy Oeser, Wichita-Kapuan Mt. Carmel (5 titles) 1974 - 3A - 155 lbs. 1975 - 3A - 155 lbs. 1976 - 3A - 167 lbs. 1976 - Grand State - 167 lbs. 1977 - 3A - 167 lbs.
#3 - Matt Treaster, Beloit 1981 - 321A - 105 lbs. 1982 - 321A - 119 lbs. 1983 - 321A - 126 lbs. 1984 - 4A - 132 lbs.
#4 - Todd Layton, Independence 1984 - 5A - 119 lbs. 1985 - 5A - 132 lbs. 1986 - 5A - 138 lbs. 1987 - 5A - 145 lbs.
#5 - Todd Drake, Andover 1985 - 4A - 98 lbs. 1986 - 4A - 112 lbs. 1987 - 4A - 126 lbs. 1988 - 4A - 132 lbs.
#6 - Justin Ware, Arkansas City 1989 - 5A - 103 lbs. 1990 - 5A - 119 lbs. 1991 - 5A - 130 lbs. 1992 - 5A - 140 lbs.
#7 - Devin Bahm, Arkansas City 1993 - 5A - 125 lbs. 1994 - 5A - 125 lbs. 1995 - 5A - 126 lbs. 1996 - 5A - 130 lbs.
#8 - Bill Gabel, St. Francis 1993 - 321A - 103 lbs. 1994 - 321A - 112 lbs. 1995 - 321A - 119 lbs. 1996 - 321A - 135 lbs.
#9 - Bo Maynes, Salina South 1995 - 5A - 100 lbs. 1996 - 5A - 112 lbs. 1997 - 5A - 119 lbs. 1998 - 5A - 125 lbs.
#10 - Zach Roberson, Blue Valley Northwest 1996 - 6A - 103 lbs. 1997 - 6A - 112 lbs. 1998 - 6A - 119 lbs. 1999 - 6A - 125 lbs.
#11 - Jeremy Long, Santa Fe Trail 1997 - 4A - 119 lbs. 1998 - 4A - 119 lbs. 1999 - 4A - 130 lbs. 2000 - 4A - 130 lbs.
#12 - Dusty Spaulding, Emporia 1997 - 6A - 119 lbs. 1998 - 6A - 125 lbs. 1999 - 6A - 130 lbs. 2000 - 6A - 135 lbs.
#13 - Travis Stites, McPherson 1997 - 5A - 130 lbs. 1998 - 5A - 135 lbs. 1999 - 5A - 140 lbs. 2000 - 5A - 145 lbs.
#14 - Dustin May, Derby 1998 - 6A - 103 lbs. 1999 - 6A - 119 lbs. 2000 - 6A - 130 lbs. 2001 - 6A - 135 lbs.
#15 - Doug Hoover, Wichita-Kapaun Mt. Carmel 1999 - 5A - 103 lbs. 2000 - 5A - 112 lbs. 2001 - 5A - 119 lbs. 2002 - 5A - 125 lbs.
#16 - Mat Gilliland, Hoxie 2001 - 321A - 119 lbs. 2002 - 321A - 125 lbs. 2003 - 321A - 130 lbs. 2004 - 321A - 140 lbs.
#17 - Jake Kriegbaum, Abilene 2001 - 4A - 103 lbs. 2002 - 4A - 103 lbs. 2003 - 4A - 119 lbs. 2004 - 4A - 130 lbs.
#18 - Josh Baldridge, Haysville-Campus 2002 - 6A - 112 lbs. 2003 - 5A - 125 lbs. 2004 - 5A - 130 lbs. 2005 - 5A - 130 lbs.
#19 - Clay Madden, Norton 2003 - 321A - 103 lbs. 2004 - 321A - 112 lbs. 2005 - 321A - 112 lbs. 2006 - 321A - 119 lbs.
#20 - Tristen Deshazer, Wichita West 2003 - 6A - 103 lbs. 2004 - 5A - 112 lbs. 2005 - 5A - 119 lbs. 2006 - 5A - 130 lbs.
#21 – Trison Graham, Ark City 2005 – 5A – 112 lbs. 2006 – 5A – 119 lbs. 2007 – 5A – 125 lbs. 2008 – 5A – 130 lbs.
#22 – Romero Cotton, Hutchinson 2005 – 6A – 145 lbs. 2006 – 6A – 160 lbs. 2007 – 5A – 171 lbs. 2008 – 5A – 189 lbs.
#23 – Tyler Caldwell, Goddard 2006 - 6A – 112 lbs. 2007 - 6A – 125 lbs. 2008 - 6A – 140 lbs. 2009 - 6A – 160 lbs.
#24 – Boaz Beard, Goddard 2006 - 6A – 152 lbs. 2007 - 6A – 160 lbs. 2008 - 6A - 141 lbs. 2009 - 6A - 189 lbs.
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Re: 4 X Kansas Stae Champs.
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For some reason I have always thought that at the finals of 1998 4-5-6A State Tournament, that at one time there were 3 to be 4 timers on the mats at one time-- all in the same weight class. I thought it was 4A Jermy Long from Santa Fe Trail (vs I think Bo Pratt from Pratt), 5A Bo Maynes Salina VS ??, and 6A Zack Roberson BVNW vs ???. I thought the weight class was 125 or 130. But, if the names , wts, and years in the previous post are correct, I must be wrong. The 3 do not match up in one wt class in any one year. Dusty Spaulding Emporia and Travis Sites McPH were in 4 X hunt some of those same years--but do not think either one are whom I am talking about. I can still hear the annoucer talking about multiple state champs on three mats at one time. A great memory---hate to think I have been wrong this many years
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So which classification do you count Treaster (321A or 4A), Baldridge (6A or 5A), Deshazer (6A or 5A), and Cotton (6A or 5A)? They all won 4 titles, but all won them in multiple classes. Duell and Oeser both won Grand State Titles. Which proves that the great ones win regardless of where they go to school or the size of the school.
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Look for Colt Rogers from smith center to be a four timer next year
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Long was actually a 112 lbs his freshman year. And the three 4 timers on the mat were Long and Spaulding were the same weight their senior year and stood side by side on the podium. Same year Stites won 4 two weight classes above them. And Earl Jones won his third I believe as well. One of the best state tournaments to watch with lots of history being made.
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Looks like if you want to be a 4-timer, you have to wrestle in the lower weights. There are a few exceptions, with 189 being the limit for 4-timers.
Jonathan Whisnant Goodland High School-USD 352 Assistant Wrestling Coach jonathan.whisnant@usd352.org
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Bo Maynes and Zach are the only 2 undefeated 4X'ers here in Kansas. Even more impressive than not only being undefeated for 4 years and winning 4 state championships is the fact that Bo NEVER had a takedown scored on him in his entire high school career, now that is DOMINATION. And the thing is he wasn't just wrestling 4A and 5A opponents, he wrestled them all.
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