Mat #18 wasn't any better, the large Ref wouldn't even get down on the mat, My son had a defense pen and everyone else saw it. After the match I confronted him, he said from where he was standing he didn't see it. A very slow and out of shape Ref. On a defense pen there is no counting and any part of shoulder blades are a pen, don't care what anybody say's. What made me happy is my son knew he tecnically won, but the numbers said different. He kept his cool.
I remember reading awhile back people complaining about ref's being shape. Well I really agree with, and they do not know everything.