When the tourney is winding down, like ALL tourneys, if there is an open mat next door, why not ask to use the full mat? It's not like Beeson stopped the tourney at noon, told them he wanted a full mat, kicked off three other matches, wrestled his match, then retaped 'em. Come on, every kid wrestled on the same mat as his opponent. Let it go and let's get it on at Topeka next weekend.

Wow some anger issues? No my son did not make it to state, which I am sure you already knew. We blamed my son for that which you also should know by knowing how we are with him. He did not show up to wrestle. My son also did not wrestle on the mats in question. I was asking in reference to another kid that would have won his match if he would have been given his points that were supposedly out of bounds. I am sure this happened to several other kids. Your welcome to take any further comments up with my husband if you feel the need (and yes that is from my husband).
Also I thought this was a forum for people to be able to asks questions. Since I don't know everything I just wanted to know the rules. I don't appreciate being PERSONALY attacked. Just think it is low to trash my son! But that just shows the person that you are! Why didnt you trash talk anyone elses kid,like Spexy (who first posted), willyks, Broadbent, Finney, Beeson, or BLT?

I have a post on the other forum re: small mats at district and I am not trying to "ruff feathers." My son did in fact make it to state. It was a poorly ran tournament. The mats were an issue, but whatever - we worked through that just fine. What about the hour to hour and a half wait for the medals and brackets once we were done, then once their name was called - the line in the hallway to wait another 10 - 15 min. to get your medal, the Huge line for concessions with one person taking the money for two lines that took roughly 30 min. to get to the front, the nowhere to sit in the stands because that school could not handle the amount of spectators there, and the announcer being rude to the children when they asked about their medals.

Thank You Magpie. I appreciate your comment.

its easy to tear apart a tournament when your spectating. its also funny that those that like to do it never ask if they can help in anyway. tournaments are not easy to run and im sure every tournament has issues of some kind. you cant ever make everyone happy so thats why it makes wrestling more challenging than any other sport. i would rather be wrestling in a small gym with all you people that have BO than sitting in a gym for an hour watching that orange thing bounce around from end to end. your welcome.

I was not personally attacking you or your son. If you feel that way, then I apologize.

ok i got the scoop. the small mats were used to prevent kids from running doing back handsprings and backflips after they won the championships like what happened at the college finals. thats just what i heard lol. cant tell you who i heard it from though.

I agree.

Winfield has a nice gym and a nice open promenade but it was too small for this event. When everyone is bringing their entire clan with them you run into space issues. Might not have been a Gym in this Dist that could have prepared for that. Attendance to say the least was high for this one. A split session might have helped. However, I doubt it. Was nice to see they had chairs for the coaches this time that was a bonus for me.

The biggest complaint I heard all day was the seating issue and the heat. It was really stuffy in there for some reason. The mats were so an issue. Way to many restarts and not just on the big kids mats. Saw more crashes at this tournament than anywhere else this year here or in OK. (crashes= 4 wrestlers on two mats running into each other) The refs did a good job in my opinion, but when you got people going full tilt, nobody can control everything in tight spaces.

We waited a while for our bracket maybe and hour or a little less and when we got it the 2nd and 3rd placers were backwards. We decided not to fight that battle and left.

If you think something is wrong, let people know. Here on the forum or in person. Don't be afraid to voice your opinions. How many times have you heard. "Nobody said anything last year so we decided to do the same thing this year." Problems don't solve themselves, people solve them. Tell the right people and allow them to have the opportunity to make the change. Say nothing, expect nothing in return.

I too, agree with magpie. My concern is that if districts is in Winfield again, nothing will change. I remember last year waiting in extremely long lines for concessions and my son being one of the last to receive a medal after a wait of well over an hour. (the same as this year). I think this must have been the regular tournament not District. My hope is that the right people are reading these concerns and that they or anyone else hosting a tournament of this size will do their research and make the appropriate changes so it is a good experience for all. You can't please everyone but this tournament had a lot of issues that need to be addressed if they are to host it again. People had valid concerns.

Tournaments are alot of work, I agree. I have always volunteered alot of time at each tournament, so yes I know the work that goes into them. I do not remember these types of problems at districts in andover last year.

I watched the NCAAs when I got home from Topeka. Seeing this wrestler doing flips and handsprings was one thing, but watching the wrestler from Iowa take off for him like a heat seeking missile and blow him up while he was in the middle of one of the flips, sending him flying another 15-20 feet where he landed flat on his back was quite another.

What about that wrestler @ 125 who STOMPED on the 1 legged wrestler from AZ at the end of the match after he lost!
That was crazy!

BLT-

This is probably the third time I have seen you make comments about "some people" or a "certain club".If you have issues with any individuals from this club quit beating around the bush , grow a set and come out and say what you really want to say!

Jason Murdock

What else do you need me to say?
It kills me to see ANY club that sooo much tallent in their coaches and wrestlers have to act and wrestle in a way that is just so negative.
Teaching kids to flee the mat?
Standing there rubbing your eyes and pointing at kids when they cry after a loss.
Placing coaches on different sides of the mat so that they can be instructed while wrestling the out of bounds line.

I don't care what club we speak of.
All of this is negative for the sport!

One of my wrestlers did not get points do to being out of bounds on a small mat ended up losing the match back qualified out the back side). My response to this is "wrestlers must know where they are on the mat and score in bounds." I don't care if it's a 1/4 mat or a full mat. What is the big deal. There have been 1/4 mat all season long so why change anything for the qualifying tournaments. Not all the clubs can use huge venues so all kids in all weights can have full mats. They won't have full mats at states for all kids either.

Blt
I was not threre.But I do see alot of coaches yelling go for out of bounce.I also see the coaches on all sides of the mats yelling.Or what I think is the worst[Short time lay there,dont move].Funny one coach is yelling [drag him in].The next is yelling[go out go out].
Normaly this is in the higher skilled kids+coaches.In the close matches.

Charles

Every week you will hear coaches from any given club tell a wrestler "Look where you at" when wrestling on the edge of the mat and trying to avoid a takedown.
You seem to have some issues with the club in question why not present them to those coaches next week at state and stop with the all the silly jabs on a talk forum without posting your name.

Jason Murdock

yelling to get out of bounds is smart wrestling. there is no fleeing. if your on the edge and in trouble yes getting out of bounds can save your butt. thats part of wrestling. I dont see anything wrong with having a strategy.

If there is no "fleeing the mat" then why is it in the rules? How about staying in bounds and wrestling your way out of trouble? Wrestling your way out of trouble is good wrestling not using the white line to save you.

I think I have posted my name on here before but for those who don't know!

Lance Tracy
Team Haysville Wrestling