NO MORE PAPERWORK!!!!!!!

Come on folks! There is NO WAY we want to do that. No matter how many "rules" you make someone can circumvent them. I personally, and I would venture to say that the vast majority of those who read this, do not have ANY problem with a wrestler moving up a age group. That is NOT CHEATING! Are we trying to become KSHSAA?

We just started requiring the presentation of a birth certificate this year. Which, by the way, USA wrestling does not require. This rule was created because one of our executives DID NOT do their job and review the birth dates of wrestlers before entering them in a tournament. Kansas ended up with egg on our face because we had a wrestler INADVERTENTLY wrestling in an age group below where he should have been. That whole deal could have been prevented if an ADULT would have done their job. Instead the youth is paying the price for this situation. Just as in this case. The CLUB DIRECTOR should be on top of this or the parents. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not advocate making wrestling more paperwork intensive! Give up this post and move on!

Will,

16 and under 100 is a two man bracket this year. Would you be okay with 4 six year olds rounding out the bracket so they all could place? If you say it's not cheating, then where do you draw the line?

Will:

As I recall, you did not believe it to be necessary for USAW Kansas to request verification of birth dates!

Birthdate verification????

Windy,

I think we would all agree that one age class up is reasonable. Leave it to someone to take it to an extreme and be unreasonable. 8th graders are NOT allowed to move up to Juniors even if they are Cadets. We allow 6 to move to 8 so why not allow anyone who wants to BUMP up ONE age group do so? In high school you mix 14U with 16U and Juniors. That is two age groups. I guess if a parent is a big enough idiot to put their 6 year old on the mat with a 16 year old we could just turn them in for child abuse!

Richard,

For the RECORD, I DO NOT advocate the mandate of showing a government document to prove age. I believe that 99.9% of our parents and wrestlers are honest and I don't want to create a bunch of unnecessary rules for that lucky lottery winner who wants to lie about their age.

You know exactly where I was going with my comments above as you are one of the members that has the "privileged" information regarding the situation I spoke of. A situation where the wrestler's birth date was CORRECT on his USA Card but he was allowed to enter the wrong age group because a member of our executive organization did not do their job which was to merely sort a spreadsheet and group by Cadet and Junior age groups. This would have clearly displayed the error and alleviated a lot of political crap and a nightmare for a young man. The responsible party should step forward and lay on the sword because we are SUPPOSED TO BE IN IT FOR THE KIDS!!

i dont see the problem of 6u wrestling 8u in subs and so forth.. givin the fact that there is no6u category for them.

i understand not being able to wrestle up when there is an age roup for u but when u dont have an age group of 6u then u are 8u....

Mommy, you seem a little rude toward this boy. Has he done something to you to cause you to put him down like this. I dont think he's a bad wrestler and I serious do not think he was running from anyone. Heck I saw him wrestle at high school state, and came up one match short of placing. To make it to state as a 14 year old and do that good must mean that he can wrestle. Maybe he was letting the "competition" at 12 and under have a better chance to place and felt it was tougher at 14 and under.

Personally, I don't know who the individual is that we are talking about. Can I look it up and "do the math"....sure....don't want to. Suffice it to say, I think there are a couple of kids in District 1 at that age and weight that will more than likely make him wish he had gone 16U.

Shawn Budke

I was simply stating my opinion,as does everybody else on this forum...I don't think he is a bad wrestler. I have seen him wrestle for many years as well. It probably wasn't even his decision to wrestle up..I'm sure parents and coaches had a big say in the matter. It also does not matter what his intention of wrestling up was...the point is..a rule is a rule. If everybody else abides by the rules...he should have to as well.

Shawn,

Very good observation. I have seen three of them in D1 the last two weekends (same age/weight) that could give anyone in Kansas a run for their money.

If not mistaken i think the rule was changed after that season? I may be wrong but then it was not a rule.

No, it has been a rule for many many years.

Are you sure?

I think there was a change back in october of 2007

I have no problem with a kid moving up an age group. More power to him. It is pretty rare that you will find a kid moving UP an age group to find EASIER competition.

I researched the standing rules as far back as 2000-2001 and the rule has not changed.

Ok thank you for correction.

Where can i find when changes were made?

Dang KansasBoy, you must be proud, you got a two pager started.

... and what if the club entered him in the wrong age group in 2007?