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Re: A Little Girl's Story #14560 03/12/03 06:55 PM
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My son has wrestled Marisa sevral times and has never beat her but he doesnt look at losing to her any different then when he loses to Jake.Maybe its his age but to him a win is a win a loss is a loss and a wrestler is a wrestler.

Re: A Little Girl's Story #14561 03/12/03 07:01 PM
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Age is a consideration here. They're all cute at 6 & under. But as they get older, I don't think it's fair to either the boy or the girl. Also as the age increases, so does the peer pressure. His 6 year old buddies may not care if he gets beat by a girl, but I bet you dollars to doughnuts that his 12 year old friends will.

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This topic started out talking about a 6 year old girl. Now this topic has branched out into many different area's. The emotion involved in a 6 year old boy wrestler wrestling a 6 year old girl wrestler for sure seems to bother the parents more than the two children on the mat. Maybe Canton should of said "I don't know what I would of done if my boy lost to a girl". The kids many times after a match will play and forget about what happened on the mat, while the parents are still brewing over there problem. If a wrestler makes weight and steps on to the mat respect that wrestler. The two athletes should not change the intensity of the match. The wrestler that changes his or her intensity isn't repecting the other wrestler. Many boys have lost to girls, many girls have lost to boys. A win is a win a loss is a loss. If for any reason the question pops in your mind "I don't know what I would of done if my boy lost to a girl", there must be other issues with either the parent or the child. Most likely the parent! My son did loose to a girl once when he was 5 he is now 10 everthing is going ok so far.

Re: A Little Girl's Story #14563 03/12/03 08:38 PM
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MVNUP,

I know what I would have done! I would have told him he did a good job and gone on with it like I always do!!!!! I tell both my boys, win or lose in my eyes you are always a winner if you try.

My son does respect any wrestler who walks on the mat, if it happens to be a girl he will just respect you a little differently. If he loses he will not just go play, he will think of what he did wrong and what he could have done different (on his own) because he is very competitive.

I had to talk my seven year old into wrestling a girl. He banged her up a little during the match and was pretty upset about having hurt a girl. After a long search he found her to apologize and felt a little better but he still is eery about it.

I'm through on this topic, my thoughts seem to intensify the fire.

Good luck Marissa, no pun on you just trying to let people understand how a wrestler can feel uncomfortable:I

Add a couple of more years to your son and see how he handles certain moves on her and him.

Julie

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I have 2 sons (16 and 8) and have 1 daughter (14). All of my children are athletes. My sons are both wrestlers and what I say to them is when you are on the mat, the person on the other side is your opponent, regardless of wether they are a boy or girl, most of the people they wrestle are friends, but on the mat we take care of business, off the mat we can be friends. If a girl is accross from them, they are to treat her no different then if it was a good friend of theirs. She is not going to give them any special treatment. I have never said to purposely harm someone, but I also have never told them to treat their opponent different, just because it was a girl.

As far as my daughter is concerned she has never expressed to us that she wanted to wrestle, I think she gets enough of it at home. And I personally would not want her to, unless it was an all girl team. I feel there are enough sports out there for her to excell at such as volleyball, softball, track, gymnastics, cheerleading, soccer, golf, tennis, basketball, etc....

Now this is just my personal opinion, but I thought I would put my 2 cents in on this subject.

Re: A Little Girl's Story #14565 03/12/03 09:50 PM
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I think this is an excellent topic, and I'm glad it is being discussed. Communication helps solve anything.

Re: A Little Girl's Story #14566 03/12/03 10:29 PM
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I think out of all the posts that Ddad has put it best and mvpup? your wrong the original post was not all about a 6 year old girl is was about a 6 year old girl who was trated unfairly that is what opened up the can of worms
Brian-your right you are a bigger man than I because you put your name on here,what would my name prove,so you can confront me this saturday and things escalate from there,if you want to talk to me face to face that's fine,we can make it happen,as for your remarks about bringing your club into this,,,plzzzzzzzzzzz bro,u think people here are stupid,all your post was about was slandering those two clubs that wouldn't let your daughter compete,I mean everyone and ther brother knows who you are talking about,we all know who you wrestled for,right or wrong,so before you go riding off in the sunset on your white horse preaching how good of guy you are let's not be hypocritical I did the same thing you did and will stand behind my BOLD STATEMENTS

Re: A Little Girl's Story #14567 03/12/03 11:12 PM
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I know better than to touch this topic with a ten foot pole for many reasons. All I have to say is...THIS IS WHY WE STARTED A GIRLS TEAM FOR KANSAS!!!!!!!!!!! Now to all the people with all the opinions, just consider this. Why not spend our time and energy on supporting the up and coming team for girls to wrestle girls, right here in the state of Kansas. We currently have over 50 girls actively participating in girls only meets, we have taken many medals already and have many more to come. We are planning our first big trip to St. Joseph, MN, to wrestle in a National USAW tournament that should have 500-1000 girls entered. We have singlets, warmups, hair caps that match and a lot of very tough girls. Our coaching staff is highly qualified with coaches that carry a high level of integrity and we strive to produce wrestlers that can not only deliver "the win" but also be a productive member of society when wrestling is finished. We have a website that can be reached by clicking on "girls division" on this home page. Thanks you for your time and if you really want to support girls wrestling, we can show you how.

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Ed and Jennifer Edison
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Re: A Little Girl's Story #14568 03/13/03 02:33 AM
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Once again here we are. Treated unfairly yes, looking for sympathy no. As I read my original post I see that I was talking about one club not two. As far as escalating and approaching you, I will not. I just want the wrestling community to see the dragon that hides within. If you would like to discuss this face to face that is fine too. (In no way is that a threat as some will assume.) Those that know me know that I am very laid back and enjoy watching my kids progress. Obviously, you have taken this subject to heart, because you act as if you are trying to defend yourself by defussing my original post. They always say fight fire with fire, but if you are trying to get me, you have no fire. So if you would like to show the dragon within feel free to email me.
I would like to thank Coach Ed for starting a girls team. My only concern is that I can pay 10 dollars for a good match in an open tournament, or pay $30 for girls state. If the sport is to prosper we need to work on the entry fee. Fewer girls don't mean higher prices. In closing I must say we will continue to wrestle boys or girls, who ever happens to be in her bracket. For any other comments to me please email me.

Thanks for all the support
Brian Andres

Re: A Little Girl's Story #14569 03/13/03 02:50 AM
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Coach Ed:
Nice Job. Best of luck to you and the Kansas girls' team. I think it's a fantastic idea, and I hope the girls fully appreciate the measures you've taken for them. The world would be a better place if more people took positive action.

That being said- if someone put together a "boys only" league or tournament, what do you suppose folks would say? Unfortunately- THAT would be sexist and discriminatory. I think Martha Burke (the lady trying to get women admitted at Augusta National Golf Club) would raise heck!

Re: A Little Girl's Story #14570 03/13/03 02:53 AM
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Yeah, I did mention Karie Strug, as an example of pure guts, which as I mentioned, knows NO gender.

By the way, I'll preface the rest of this with the fact that I'm full-blown anti-Title IX, because of the methods of implementation. I'm glad for the girls, but a few foam-at-the-mouth groups (who will remain nameless) have screwed over boys sports in the name of "equality".

I would agree with you that there IS a cut-off point for co-ed competition in virtually any sport, as adult women can't simply compete with adult men, assuming equal talent and game savvy.

This, however is simply a question of muscle mass, body fat percentage, cardiovascular capacity, etc.

Heck, even in the "pure skill" sports such as archery (men can pull a higher weight bow, resulting in a flatter trajectory), bowling (men can throw a heavier ball, with more momentum into the pocket), etc. men have an advantage.

On the other hand, I would like to see the US Women's Soccer Team play the best H.S. boy's team in the US. The women would kill..LOL They're some (pardon my French) tough broads.

But...until well into adolescence, this point is moot. And does ANYBODY think Marissa would have gotten as good as she is by competing against the same 2 or 3 girls several times a year? There's currently just not enough female competition to go around.

Let the kid (6 year old) wrestle co-ed until it becomes an issue....hopefully by then girl's wrestling will have caught on better. She'll know when to stop wrestling boys better than any of US.

I'll shut up now...just the rantings of a reformed sports sexist...and you know the reformed are the most rabid...LOL

Re: A Little Girl's Story #14571 03/17/03 02:48 AM
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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the support this weekend, Marissa really appreciate's your support.
Cara

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