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Well, we are not in the top 11. No argument! You know me so introduce yourself on Sunday but be gentle, I am fragile.

Now let me see, what do all of those states have that we here in Kansas do not? Oh yeah....... at least twice our population!!!!! Duh, silly me for wanting a fair comparison based on a reasonable formula. I would bet all those states have more drivers than Kansas too, that must make them better drivers; physicists, that must make them smarter than us and on and on and on...... Per capita, Kansas more than handles it's own of course!

You did not say "per capita" in your request to meet a person that doesn't believe Kansas is one of the top wrestling states! Once you throw that in, Montana and North Dakota would look really good!

Please stay on point Greg.

Ok....stop the madness....this has been a great discussion on a great proposal. Let's not turn this into another personal grudge match on the forums.

From my perspective: We have been asked to discuss and support a good idea. Based on the discussion, a lot of folks have raised some valid issues. One being whether we can ammend the proposal and still have it go into affect this year....that question has been answered...we can.

This is a very good thing all the way around. I totally agree with Doug in that if the 14U choice is included then this concept will pass with flying colors.

Lets keep the conversation focused on the topic.

Thanks....at least I feel better now!

Shawn Budke

Does anyone have an ammendment they would like to share? Several possibilities have been discussed... It would be nice if we could use this forum to sort out the details in order to get it mostly right with minimal loup holes and pit falls to debate come Sunday. Thanks.

Mark Stanley

Ammendment: The 16U division will be replaced with a High School Division. The only qualification to wrestle in the High School division is that the wrestler must attend a High School in the state of Kansas at the time of the State Tournament.

Wrestlers that qualify for both 14U and High School Division must choose between the two at Sub-Districts.

Let the adding and subtracting begin.

Sounds pretty dang good as is!

Do we need to add: or, if attending high school in a border state, their home residence must be in the state of Kansas?

I am thinking of a students that might live near the border and for whatever reason might actually attend school in another state.

Personally I think if you are attending a High School in another state you should not be allowed to wrestle in our State series.

I'm not sure what the actual rules are, does anyone want to elaborate?

I was just thinking it should match the rest of the kids rules, which I believe allows for a kid to wrestle the KS State series as long as they live in KS - but I may be wrong.

PART B – QUALIFYING FOLKSTYLE TOURNAMENTS
1. Qualifying tournaments are tournaments that are used to qualify or are in a series of tournaments that could advance a wrestler to the State level of competition, including the state tournament itself. Qualifying tournaments are subject to all sanctioned tournament rules in the preceding Part A, except where those rules have been modified or expanded under this Part B.
2.[b] For the purpose of eligibility of entering a Sub-District or District tournament, a competitive member must be a resident of Kansas and/or be enrolled in a Kansas educational school system. Special cases to this rule are subject to notification and permission from the Executive Council.[/b] The State Tournament Director will be notified of any person permitted to

Instead of calling it the H.S. Division, maybe 18u would help eliminate 5th and 6th year seniors.

And this will be with high school weight class's! Is that right??

Ammendment: The 16U division will be replaced by a High School Division. To wrestle in this divison a wrestler will need to either attend a Kansas Recognized High School or provide documentation that they are being home schooled in the State of Kansas. The High School Divison will take on the weights that are used by KSHSAA for their State Tournaments.

Wrestlers that are eligible for both 14U and the High School Division will need to choose between the two divisions when registering for Sub-Districts.

Wrestlers that are in 8th grade and over the age of 15 by the September 1st birthday cut off wil be required to wrestle in the High School Division.

Suggestions?

Sounds very good. However, I think you should consider a 98 lbs weight class for the small kids. We do have one at our school who could be a 4 year 103 without cutting weight. Just an idea.

beeson, no i did not follow through with the certified letter due by july 31st. i thought that was alot of redtape to get nothing done. in the minutes from september, i seen a letter proposing to let wrestlers wrestle up in weight or age. no motion was made. why is that? since it was the last page or discussion of that day,i felt like the executive council was ready to call it a day. thats fine but hear me out here. I talked to several people in charge about this. at one point, i was told the board would not change the weight limit for 2 or 3 kids. i was told it would cause the state series to last longer. i also viewed posts where people mentioned not wanting to watch heavies roll around on a mat was a waste of time. and people just wanted a free medal. so yes i did see that sending a letter to ned was a waste of my time.. my son will have a chance this year to compete and go to state if he makes it. but i want to see a change to the policies. kids are bigger now. america has an obesity problem. i think if a kid weighs so much he doesnt have fair chance to cut weight, he should be able to move up an age division. my son started the season last year at 150 lbs. do you think this kid could cut 25 lbs? 8 and unders weight limit should of been amended last year. it does not matter for me personally anymore. but we need to look out for the other kids and parents who are putting their kids in wrestling over an overweight issue. wrestling has did alot for my son. i just felt he got done wrong sitting at state watching and not competing.

I like Beeson's latest amendment. We can support that. Thank you.

Shawn Budke

Beeson your amendment is great.

I do not support non-Kansas residents or non-Kansas schooled wrestlers wrestling in the Kansas Wrestling Series.

Does Oklahoma/Missouri/Nebraska/Colorado allow any of our Kansas wrestlers to do such a thing?

There is a provision allowing out of state wrestlers which requires Executive Board approval prior to the qualifying series. There are some kids who live in Missouri but attend school in Kansas that are approved. There have been some other isloated cases as well.

Residency and eligibility have already been defined in the by laws so it does NOT need to be addressed in this amendment.

I also do not believe we need to alter the weights we have for 16U. They can be applied to this new division. There are 19 weight classes, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 150, 155, 160, 165, 175, 185, 215, 250, 285, instead of the 14 utilized in high school, 103, 112, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 171, 189, 215, 285. This provides more wrestlers an opportunity to compete. The 100 pound class was far below capacity so I don't believe we need any lighter classes as mentioned in an earlier post.

Chad, I would support your amendment!