Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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Cool list. Thanks Chief. Who were Colt's three losses to? I did see that, but how about an "All-Grade" Top 10? I can think of at least 1 non-senior that would crack that list. Colt's losses: Luke Greco - Blue Springs, MO Bryce Gretch - Billings Skyview, Montana Chanthapatheth, Grand Island, NE, dec. Rogers, SC, 9-5.
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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Cool list. Thanks Chief. Who were Colt's three losses to? I did see that, but how about an "All-Grade" Top 10? I can think of at least 1 non-senior that would crack that list. Colt's losses: Luke Greco - Blue Springs, MO Bryce Gretch - Billings Skyview, Montana Chanthapatheth, Grand Island, NE, dec. Rogers, SC, 9-5. Thanks Will. So, would it be a safe assumption that those three loses were finals matches of BIG tourneys? I have never got to watch Colt wrestle. Bummer. However, at least I got to see Ryne wrestle. That was way cool! ;-)
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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11/05/09 02:54 AM
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so chief....what about the guys who dont wrestle kids does that mean there not good enough...because these are highschool rankings not kids state rankings...i nvr heard anything back about the Lewis from lyons
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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usa wrestling...i am not by any means saying your Lewis from Lyons is a bad wrestler, but if you dont place at a 321A regionals the year before then there is no way that you would or will be ranked on the all class rankings the next coming year before the season started. If you want to be on the rankings then you'll have yo show it on the mat for a couple weeks and show them that you deserve to be on the all class rankings and make your spot.
There are many 103lbs that are not on the all class rankings that went to high school state and almost placed and that made it to kids state that did place at kids.
Some guys that were ahead of him in 321A that did make it to state and might be back at 103 are
Austin Avelar Colt Skillman Chris Ceman Ross Harris Isaac Cairo Cole Lies Glenn Blue
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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so chief....what about the guys who dont wrestle kids does that mean there not good enough...because these are highschool rankings not kids state rankings...i nvr heard anything back about the Lewis from lyons In short, I have looked at the results for Lewis in every tournament. Tough kid but short of the AC rankings. If the Lyons schedule allows him to match up with ranked wrestlers, he will sure get his chance. The other issue is, I have received back very limited information on anticipated weights for the 321A wrestlers as a whole. I have left messages, e-mailed and even called a few homes!
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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ok i understand about the ac rankings but he should be in the 321a 103 rankings in there somewhere dont you think? he might get his chance against regis weiss at the first osborne tourney...but he is very tough and has been working his tail off but shouldnt probably be in the ac rankings but in the indivisual class
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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Coach Brown does the 321A rankings. Good luck to Brendon this year!
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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who will be the the 5A ranker this year?
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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Dennis Charbonneau is the 5A rep. Greg Buckbee will shoulder the ranking burden in 5A again.
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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Dennis Charbonneau is the 5A rep. Greg Buckbee will shoulder the ranking burden in 5A again. You mean Greg "Sandbagger" Buckbee??
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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i dont know about sandbagging but he is modest
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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People that comment are just having fun too with the whole thing and have a right to give opinions, etc. without having to "calm down". Like me. I know that I should just "let it go" but this is just too much fun.
Good. It is fun. For you Chief, I first say congratulations with your father-in-law's honor. That is really cool. Your wife must be VIP. It was a great time and I did overmarry! My concern is more with regard to the individuals not listed. I felt that they needed to be recognized also so I threw their names out. I did not really expect Chief to change anything because it is his list after all.
I would definitely change them with sufficient criteria. So Chief, publishing their records was not necessary. I was trying to positively recognize them and that negatively recognized them. As for those that could go 103, I do not think that they should be measured by their losses from HS last year. I had to post my criteria. All of those guys were considered and are tough kids. Bonilla should be #2 at 103. Gentzler is totally legit but he won the kids state title at 90 pounds. How do you justify putting him above Bonilla who won the kids state title at 105? Gentzler has many more accolades than that kids state title. Again, #2,3 and 4 on that list are REALLY close. Calderon beat Mulligan at HS Garden City and so did Garcia so they should both be ahead of him as that is a clear head to head. Good point. I will look at that again. Wolfe should be ranked even if he goes 112. He placed at HS state, yes at 103, but he beat A. Hood who is ranked at 112. Both Hoods are indeed legit but that is a clear head to head. Wolf is very tough. He did beat Austin and then lost to Stalford, Kriss and Cole to place 6th in the same bracket, right after Hood beat Cole to place 4th. Hood in my opinion is better but the 112 jump will be a test. I cannot however let it go with Wrestler at 119. He is a proven placer at HS state 119. He is a multi kids state placer who has beat lots of really good kids over the years some that you have ranked over him. Most of the others listed were at 103 or 112. Wrestler should be higher although he can't be above Hines because he lost to him at HS state. I have Hines and Wrestler ranked 1/2 in 4A. Stalford was a State Champion and Prescott was a finalist. Wrestler took 6th at State with 11 losses. I agree that on any given day Tim could beat these guys and I know how tough he is, but I believe he's ranked correctly for now. And what about Beasley? You say that his win at kids state is trumped by something else. You obviously use the kids state criteria when ever it suits you. Beasley is ranked #2 All-Class. That win over Smith at kids state was a gift by anyone who actually saw the match. That is not to say that he and Smith are not extremely close. The 1.5 periods or in that case 1.6 period is not the only reason I decided that way. Chief, I really do appreciate you responding to my earlier comments in a mature non-offensive way and ask that you continue that practice. Although I am sure that it will be more difficult with each of my responses. Keep up the great work either way. And for the rest of you, let the mud fly. And of course, have a great day! Enjoyed the talk!
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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thank you chief.. you are doing a great job...so how many tourneys does it take to get ranked.....because some coachs dont put in that their kid should be ranked...does that mean they cant be ranked or what
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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Great response Chief, thanks. Everyone has now been appropriately recognized and everyone should be happy. Moeder, great idea. Obviously I have thought more than once about your suggestion but we all know that there can be only one Chief. Perhaps it is a case of "discretion being the better part of valor".
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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It looks like the individual class rankings will not be released tomorrow as planned. Class 321A and 5A are not complete yet. I have completed 4A and 6A but KWCA wants to release them all at once.
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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How much longer do you think it will be until you complete 321 and 5a?
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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I am not responsible for 321A and 5A.
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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Rankings this time of year are fun to look at, but certainly don't mean much in February when it really matters. I appreciate all of the time that some have put into this. If nothing else, it is great conversation.
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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PRE-SEASON RANKINGS: Change in Team rankings!
1. Emporia - 5A 2. Valley Center - 4A 3. Derby - 6A 4. Lansing - 5A 5. Andale - 4A 6. Clay Center - 4A 7. Andover Central - 5A 8. Abilene - 4A 9. Colby - 4A 10t. Norton - 321A 10t. Goddard - 6A
103 1. Bo Pursel - 10 - LS - 5A 2. Zac Gentzler - 9 - AC - 5A 3. Cullen Hood - 9 - LOU - 4A 4. Kaleb Bonilla - 11 - GD - 6A 5. Chris Burley - 9 - GB - 5A 6. Bryce Shoemaker - 9 - BAL - 4A 7. Clay Mulligan - 10 - SC - 4A 8. Troy Crane - 10 - BUH - 4A 9. Regis Weiss III - 9 - RUS - 4A 10. Dustin Reed - 9 - CB - 4A
112 1. Isaac Ruiz - 12 - JC - 6A 2. Dalton Miller - 12 - WC - 6A 3. Bo Newport - 11 - PV - 4A 4. Nathan Reed - 12 - CB - 4A 5. Trevor Boyer - 12 - MV - 5A 6. Caleb Seaton - 11 - BS - 5A 7. Aaron Seybold - 10 - PT - 5A 8. Austin Hood - 10 - LOU - 4A 9. Colby Whitten - 11 - MZ - 6A 10. Dylan Schumacher - 10 - TMP - 321A
119 1. Blaine Smith - 12 - SS - 5A 2. Cody Beasley - 11 - WC - 6A 3. Dane Norris - 11 - MH - 6A 4. Adrian Salas - 12 - LB - 5A 5. Colby Watters - 10 - ARK - 5A 6. Tre Humphrey - 11 - SMS - 6A 7. Robbie Hines - 11 - ULY - 4A 8. Tim Prescott - 10 - MCP - 5A 9. Hunter Stalford - 10 - CV - 321A 10. Tim Wrestler - 11 - CH - 4A
125 1. Garrett Jones - 12 - ARK - 5A 2. Zac Sparr - 12 - RH - 4A 3. Jake Gentzler - 11 - AC - 5A 4. Steven Plott - 12 - SS - 5A 5. Symon Seaton - 11 - BL - 4A 6. Logan Singular - 12 - CC - 4A 7. Zach Hoehn - 11 - WEL - 321A 8. Troy Bainter - 11 - NO - 321A 9. Uylesses DeShazer - 10 - WH - 6A 10. Riley Soward - 10 - HAL - 321A
130 1. Colt Rogers - 12 - SC - 321A 2. Daniel DeShazer - 11 - WH - 6A 3. Taylor Moeder - 11 - SJA - 4A 4. Alex Bontz - 10 - AC - 5A 5. Kyle Johnson - 11 - COL - 4A 6. Tyson Schmidtberger - 12 - RUS - 4A 7. Mario Corado - 11 - PIT - 5A 8. Colton Eck - 11 - AN - 4A 9. Ky Biddle - 10 - BC - 321A 10. Billy Broeckelman - 11 - NO - 321A
135 1. Chase Nitcher - 12 - VC - 4A 2. Danny Floyd - 12 - OS - 321A 3. Spencer Blew - 11 - LS - 5A 4. Zack Tanenbaum - 11 - BVN - 6A 5. Jace Campbell - 12 - OA - 321A 6. Kash Biddle - 12 - ARK - 5A 7. Brandon Charbonneau - 10 - EMP - 5A 8. Trey Houlden - 11 - GD - 6A 9. Hunter Edwards - 12 - DC - 6A 10. Travis Reinhart - 11 - DB - 6A
140 1. Tyler Anderson - 12 - CC - 4A 2. Bryce Hood - 12 - LOU - 4A 3. Derrick Weller - 12 - PI - 4A 4. Cody Wildin - 12 - MAR - 321A 5. Vance Oliver - 12 - WIN - 5A 6. Brent Koehn - 10 - PIT - 5A 7. Bradley Little - 11 - DB - 6A 8. BT O'Hara - 11 - COL - 4A 9. Courtney Strauss - 11 - AB - 4A 10. Micah Flora-Swick - 12 - GE - 5A
145 1. Ryne Cokeley - 11 - SJA - 4A 2. Joey Dozier - 12 - GC - 6A 3. Chase Sanchez - 11 - EMP - 5A 4. Cody Shavlik - 12 - DB - 6A 5. Tyler Davis - 12 - MCP - 5A 6. Connor Middleton - 10 - ONW - 6A 7. Codie Bontz - 12 - AC - 5A 8. Trevor Oliver - 12 - OS - 321A 9. Dakota Hayes - 12 - SC - 4A 10. Kaenon Keiswetter - 12 - NO - 321A
152 1. Jake Walker - 12 - STA - 5A 2. Dylan Penka - 11 - BC - 5A 3. Dillon Charland - 12 - JC - 6A 4. Sean Gaither - 12 - WNW- 6A 5. Trip Hiller - 12 - OS - 6A 6. Sam Son - 10 - CH - 4A 7. Colten Picking - 11 - AB - 4A 8. Cullen Demerest - 12 - LS - 5A 9. Landon Keiswetter - 11 - NO - 321A 10. Josh Rodriguez - 12 - ULY - 4A
160 1. Cade Blair - 12 - VC - 4A 2. John Hambleton - 12 - LC - 4A 3. Reece Wright-Conklin - 10 - LAW - 6A 4. Jake Hattabaugh - 11 - AN - 4A 5. Todd Curtis - 12 - GE - 5A 6. Corey Engstrom - 12 - HOI - 321A 7. Cody Hill - 11 - HUG - 4A 8. Tyler Baughman - 11 - LS - 5A 9. Evon Royal - 12 - JC - 6A 10. Kaid McKenna - 11 - NO - 321A
171 1. Parker Madl - 12 - BV - 6A 2. Benny Armstrong - 12 - AN - 4A 3. Jonathan Truman - 12 - KMC - 5A 4. Chance Davis - 12 - CC - 4A 5. Nick Thibault - 12 - HAL - 321A 6. Devon Keith - 11 - BC - 5A 7. Garrett Hoover - 12 - WIN - 5A 8. Zane Perez - 12 - NO - 321A 9. Ethan Mumaw - 11 - JW - 4A 10. Camron Leupold - 11 - HIA - 4A
189 1. Jace Banner - 12 - DC - 6A 2. David Blazevic - 12 - ON - 6A 3. Zach Grimes - 11 - OZ - 4A 4. Dylon Walker - 12 - EL - 4A 5. Dylan Matheny - 12 - KMC - 5A 6. Nathan Wessell - 11 - LS - 5A 7. Steven Cooksley - 12 - TS - 5A 8. Cole Carpenter - 12 - DB - 6A 9. Dalton Beard - 11 - GD - 6A 10. Chase Kruetzer - 12 - PRT - 4A
215 1. Kyle Caylor - 12 - WNW - 6A 2. Mark Kolmer - 12 - EMP - 5A 3. Taylor Wuthnow - 12 - AB - 4A 4. Nick Pearch - 12 - BV - 6A 5. Gage Knudson - 11 - JC - 6A 6. Josh Hicks - 12 - GD - 6A 7. Titus Hopper - 12 - VC - 4A 8. Taylor Shaffer - 11 - WAM - 4A 9. Adam Weber - 12 - CLB - 4A 10. Eric Mason - 10 - CV - 321A
285 1. Lucas Vincent - 12 - ON - 6A 2. Tank Burns - 12 - COL - 4A 3. BJ Finney - 12 - AN - 4A 4. Lorenzo Serna - 12 - EMP - 5A 5. Trey Page - 12 - WNW - 6A 6. Jared Rice - 12 - PHI - 321A 7. Cody Huffman - 12 - DOU - 321A 8. Dillon Salmans - 11 - HOX - 321A 9. Tyler Gjerstad - 12 - AB - 4A 10. Tylor Woodruff - 10 - GD - 6A _________________________
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Re: 2009-10 All-Class Rankings
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Why do we have to suffer for the sins of 5A and 321A? Don't get bent outta shape anyone, I was just joking! I guess we can wait a few more days if we have to!
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